Gramsci wrote: Wed Jul 24, 2024 4:41 am
Just fucking vote for Harris for fucks sake. It achieves the opposite effect you are aiming for by abstaining or voting Third Party under a ludicrous two party system. You’re not sending anyone a message, you’re helping elect monsters.

PASTA wrote: Wed Jul 24, 2024 7:43 am

Gramsci wrote: Wed Jul 24, 2024 4:41 am
Just fucking vote for Harris for fucks sake. It achieves the opposite effect you are aiming for by abstaining or voting Third Party under a ludicrous two party system. You’re not sending anyone a message, you’re helping elect monsters.

If we honestly want a viable 3rd party we have to start local! (remember when the German Chancellor was a green?) A serious contender isn't made by running a Nominee every 4 years. To challenge 2 party rule a 3rd party needs to build infrastructure, a NATIONAL network, and develop a coherent plan for governing that entire nation.

ErickC wrote: Tue Jul 23, 2024 6:55 pm
$1,400 doesn't tell us anything. What is your loan cost? What about your child care? How much does it cost you to get to work? What's your monthly rent?

ErickC wrote: Tue Jul 23, 2024 6:55 pm I don't quite get what your point is. The far right is a threat to people who work for a living everywhere. Your relative income doesn't change the fact that the GOP's endgame is to make quality of life in the US (and, by extension of their international policy, everywhere else) exponentially worse for everyone but their (white, male) business partners. That doesn't change the fact that people from the "wrong breeding stock" are getting their heads blown off willy nilly by the police in the streets and the GOP intends to make us even more expendable to the state than we already are. This just isn't productive.

jfv wrote: Wed Jul 24, 2024 10:28 am Biden addressing the nation tonight at 7 PM CDT.

Anyone think he's about to announce his reason for withdrawing from the race is due to a thus far undisclosed illness?

cakes wrote: Wed Jul 24, 2024 10:47 am

jfv wrote: Wed Jul 24, 2024 10:28 am Biden addressing the nation tonight at 7 PM CDT.

Anyone think he's about to announce his reason for withdrawing from the race is due to a thus far undisclosed illness?

I doubt it. I think he's just going to make a formal answer that is only "what's best for the country."

losthighway wrote: Wed Jul 24, 2024 8:05 am

I think what we need is a popular, grassroots legislative platform. It would need to be engineered by experts: lawyers, constitutional law scholars, people who have worked within the electoral system, but it would need to be fronted by a charismatic spokesperson. I'm picturing a snappy slogan, stickers, t-shirts, appearances on political commentary shows and late night tv. Basically a viral movement with a game plan that some legislators would be tempted to adopt and turn into a bill because it would appeal to voters who'd be more likely to support them.

It would probably need to change both party funding, and move toward ranked choice voting. One massive hurdle would be overturning Citizens United.

Whatever could be done 2025 would be the year to launch it. Anything but our perennial cycle of this same fucking conversation on an election year followed by a four year break in thinking about it.