Trump could easily end up being responsible for more than a million deaths, maybe more indirectly than Cheney, but still. Selfishly, I'm more mad at Trump for effectively destroying my family and bringing the scum of America to the surface, and making everyday life a frustrating, sickening shitshow. We'll see how much more physical violence his cult inflicts pretty soon, I imagine.

DaveA wrote: Sun Sep 08, 2024 5:45 pm
Some of the individuals weighing in might be prominent Republicans who've got buyer's remorse, people who've been relatively silent until recently, when it's become more and more obvious that Trump is a losing proposition for the country and the average person is just. plain. sick of him.

I'm not a GOP sympathizer, but their party is actually in a bit of jam, after having let themselves become synonymous with Trump and Trumpism for so long. They'll need to pivot to something else soon enough and the more some people keep clinging to Trump as the answer to all of their problems, the more awkward all of it will be.

I saw an op-ed that was saying the only way the GOP can be a force again is for Trump to lose so catastrophically that they have to rewrite the whole playbook. His command of the electorate is tepid at best and his brand of obtuse, blunt nativist-populism doesn't seem to propel other politicians the way it did him.

Yeah, the dubious "magic" is wearing off. Add to that an impending shift in demographics (Silent Generation and boomers on their way out; white people comprising less and less of a majority), and the GOP will probably need to go back to the drawing board. At the very least, some kind of rebranding will be in order, a mode of distancing themselves from him and his baggage.

Trump’s childish, mercurial tantrums would routinely fuck up financial markets. Sometimes this would be just one corporation he had a beef with, like when he threatened to kill the new Air Force One, and sometimes with massive implications like tariffs and global trade. No one on Wall Street or any old school fat cat Republican wants that kind of volatility and maybe they could bed with Trump for the tax cuts, but when their bottom line is affected by the prospect of decades of economic alliances and treaties getting uprooted, eventually some of these old billionaires are gonna jump ship.

The US has the same problem with the Republican Party as we have with the Conservatives. Regardless of how deranged the leadership gets there’s still a section of the public that would literally throw themselves under a bus for a tax cut.

There were prominent gay Tories that happily stuck it out through Thatcher’s Section 28 law that made it illegal for teachers to discuss sexual diversity in any lessons.

We just need to accept there is a chunk of society that are irredeemable cunts and beat them at the ballot box… and potentially in the street as well.

I'm not going to forget what those PNAC motherfuckers did any time soon, either. Dick Cheney is still a cockroach.

Those guys are the reason Russia can now say, "what, suddenly you can't invade a sovereign nation under false pretences any more?"

This video is a really excellent explanation of the current state of the US elections. Lots of answers to the "why".



PS. it explicitly does not relate MAGA etc as a Nazi project. But looks at how the lower middle class / small business tyrant align with the far right.

Although many of you might prefer this one...

Man.. I was in Door County, WI over the weekend and there were so. many. fucking. Trump signs. Biden won that county in 2020, which was the last time we were up there and there wasn't nearly as much Trump support then. I swear half of this stupid country has willful amnesia.

penningtron wrote: Tue Sep 10, 2024 9:05 am Man.. I was in Door County, WI over the weekend and there were so. many. fucking. Trump signs. Biden won that county in 2020, which was the last time we were up there and there wasn't nearly as much Trump support then. I swear half of this stupid country has willful amnesia.

Gramsci wrote: Mon Sep 09, 2024 3:07 pmRegardless of how deranged the leadership gets there’s still a section of the public that would literally throw themselves under a bus for a tax cut.

Yeah. This is precisely what worries me. Regardless of what most of us say, Americans seem ingrained to be terrified of taxes. Like, almost irrationally.

And to want to buy limitless cheap shit they don't need while happily being screwed by technocratic managerial middlemen in other, more basic consumer affairs (from healthcare to ride shares to food-delivery apps). And to engage in Byzantine, casino-like schemes w/their leftover cash (see the popularity of credit-card points, airline miles, and uh, crypto).

Trump squares w/that mindset more than Harris does, at least in the public imagination.

I also think there are a fair number of people you'd never expect to vote like so, but who aren't exactly outspoken about it. That, to me, is the real danger.

Looks like Harris's polling honeymoon just ended. Trump is ahead by a nose again. Which makes the whole protest-vote or abstaining idea among some of the far left seem even more self-defeating.

I guess we'll see what, if any, impact tonight's debate has on the numbers.

It's a weird time to watch polls: People have the attention spans of insects. The news cycle is shorter than ever and reverberations of events only last a few days. An unpopular white-collar-criminal, reality-tv candidate survives a shooting and strikes a faux-heroic pose, only to see his numbers fall and the public forget it all after an eleventh-hour swap on the other side to install an equally unpopular, mixed-race, female vice president. And now, the pendulum seems to be swinging back. Can't make this shit up.

That video is absolutely right. MAGA is comprised of the same "petty bourgeoisie" small-business dickheads that put the Nazis in power. George Soros and the Rothschild family have been Jewish boogie men for decades among that crowd. Workers need to unionize.