Krev wrote: Tue Sep 10, 2024 10:05 am That video is absolutely right. MAGA is comprised of the same "petty bourgeoisie" small-business dickheads that put the Nazis in power. George Soros and the Rothschild family have been Jewish boogie men for decades among that crowd. Workers need to unionize.

strontiumtom wrote: Sun Sep 08, 2024 3:46 pm I'm not saying people shouldn't vote for the democrats, though. Do what you've got to do to keep Trump out, I don't envy any of you.

Frankie99 wrote: Tue Sep 10, 2024 1:51 pm Noam also reminds us that activism is every day and more effective of a tool than the sporadic opportunities we have to vote. Buy a hamburger or 10 for the unhoused in your hood. Follow FM Dr. Balls lead and find an org to give money to that reduces harm across the world. Give some cash to a kid that might need it.

And then pull the lever for the not-fascist.

Now that the election is closer and the Democrats have switched out Biden for Harris, I feel like I should reiterate my position that you’re not actually punishing the Democrats if you refuse to vote for them in November. I often see people talking about making the Democratic Party pay a price for Gaza and for ignoring calls from progressives to end the genocide, but it doesn’t actually work that way. They don’t care.
They don’t care if you don’t vote for them. They don’t care if they lose. Their political careers will be fine either way.
It’s entirely okay and legitimate to not vote for Democrats, but don’t let that act dupe you into thinking your vote matters. It doesn’t matter how you vote, and it doesn’t matter how you don’t vote. The US power structure is set up to be completely unaffected by voters. Acting like you could teach the Democrats a lesson by refusing to vote for them only feeds into the illusion that voting matters inside a power structure that has been deemed too important to be left to the hands of the voters.
There’s a viral tweet from Glenn Greenwald going around that says “The US has no functional president and has not had one for months, and it’s barely noticeable and barely matters because there’s a permanent unelected machine that runs the government.”
Greenwald is correct. Nobody with any real power cares all that much who the president is. The president doesn’t even need to have a functioning brain. This whole show is being run by people who don’t ultimately care all that much whether Democrats or Republicans are in office, including the party leadership of the Democrats and the Republicans.
You think Democrats have enjoyed playing the face of the evil empire these last few years? You think they’ve enjoyed having their political rallies interrupted by anti-genocide protesters and having their feel-good progressive image completely discredited in front of everyone? They’d all be having a lot more fun if the terrible things being perpetrated by the Biden administration were being done by Trump instead, so they could go back to playing the good guys.
They’re happy to lose, which is why they’re acting like they’re happy to lose. They’re doing absolutely nothing to appeal to progressives or energize their base. They’re not articulating any real policies besides more of the same. They’re not changing anything about any of the stuff that makes normal people hate Democrats in the year 2024, and if they lose again in November they will continue to not change anything.
Americans don’t live in the kind of country where votes matter. I’m sorry, but that’s just the way it is. Vote or don’t vote however you want, but don’t make the mistake of believing you’ll be teaching the Democrats any kind of lesson that they will actually learn by doing so.
If real change comes to the United States, it won’t be because of how any Americans chose to vote or not vote in any of their fake elections. There are no solutions to these problems in electoral politics. Other solutions are needed.

zorg wrote: Tue Sep 10, 2024 3:15 pm We seem to be going over the same topics endlessly, but contrary to Noam, I still contend that a greater evil than either of the two candidates is the endless revolving door that ALWAYS serves BOTH the parties and their wealthy constituents regardless of the outcome. There is no hardline anti-war party, there is no hardline anti-big business party, there is no hardline universal healthcare party, there is no hardline environmental party. There is no thought at all to reduce the national debt from either party. Because those are topics that benefit the 1%ers and have already been predetermined. But those are not small topics, those are the topics I want to vote on, and am not offered any choice whatsoever. They give us baubles. You selfish poor people can help us negotiate the fate of the illegal immigrants, price of eggs, your college debt, your gay cousin, and your sister's pregnancy,...it's an emotional smokescreen laid out to give the illusion of legitimate choice, and entice with petty fantasies much like Vegas casinos, and it is absolutely intentional.

Frankie99 wrote: Tue Sep 10, 2024 5:30 pm Voting for a candidate is a transaction, not an endorsement.