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Re: Politics

2401 by Frankie99
zorg wrote: Wed Sep 11, 2024 11:16 am
A_Man_Who_Tries wrote: Tue Sep 10, 2024 6:56 pm
Frankie99 wrote: Tue Sep 10, 2024 5:30 pm Voting for a candidate is a transaction, not an endorsement.
A thousand times this.
Sorry, we can get back to the important issues like transgender cat eating momentarily, but this statement is fucking bonkers. You are literally giving them a chance to own keys to the nuclear bombs and an already overdrawn pocketbook for four years. You should stand behind and be liable for your decision. A transaction would be paying your taxes...in that case there is no choice implied or allowed, and thus limited culpability.
Again, if that's the worldview you want to apply, we will not see eye to eye. I don't know another way to say it.

The system we're in created the transactional nature, not me. That's not my decision, I am not its architect, and I don't own that. If you wanna feel better about things by projecting that on me, I can't control that, but I am not going to own a decision that's completely out of my control.

I'll ask that you focus that energy on the system, not its unwilling participants.

Re: Politics

2402 by hbiden@onlyfans.com
cakes wrote: Wed Sep 11, 2024 8:34 am "They want to perform transfender surgery on illegal immigrants in prisons."

And I thought, "They're eating dogs," was going to be the craziest thing said of the evening.
whats so crazy about that?
you can call it bait (which it was)
you can call it fringe (which it is)
but it's not a lie.
cnn wrote:Harris also wrote that she supported taxpayer funding of gender transition surgeries for detained immigrants and federal prisoners.

Harris was asked if, as president, she would use “executive authority to ensure that transgender and non-binary people who rely on the state for medical care – including those in prison and immigration detention – will have access to comprehensive treatment associated with gender transition, including all necessary surgical care.”

Harris replied, “Yes.”

“It is important that transgender individuals who rely on the state for care receive the treatment they need, which includes access to treatment associated with gender transition,” Harris wrote in a reply expanding on her answer. “That’s why, as Attorney General, I pushed the California Department of Corrections and Rehabilitation to provide gender transition surgery to state inmates,” she wrote.

Harris explained that she supported granting prisoners and detainees access to “surgical care” for gender transition.

“Transition treatment is a medical necessity, and I will direct all federal agencies responsible for providing essential medical care to deliver transition treatment,” she wrote.
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Re: Politics

2403 by zorg
Frankie99 wrote: Wed Sep 11, 2024 11:43 am I'll ask that you focus that energy on the system, not its unwilling participants.
I agree with what you're saying, and think that is objectively true. But then this becomes a useless ouroboros....dispassionate voting leading to more dissatisfaction, leading to more dispassionate voting and so on. What little progress is made in very specific topics is self-driven, rather than politically, and usually what succeeds allows for marketing product to a new demographic. I'll stick with vigorous and righteous apathy.

Re: Politics

2404 by Frankie99
I can have no positive impact on anything you're saying by not voting. I've been down the academic exercises enough times, attended enough green party meetings, DSUSA get togethers, etc to understand what is going to happen while I'm alive and how I can move the needle so that the people I leave behind have a better go than I did. We're not achieving my desired outcomes, so I have to move things the right direction now.

Trump will destroy all of that. Even if he doesn't, I ain't playing that hand.

Re: Politics

2405 by Frankie99
zorg wrote: Wed Sep 11, 2024 12:15 pm What little progress is made in very specific topics is self-driven, rather than politically, and usually what succeeds allows for marketing product to a new demographic.
FWIW, to use your words exactly, this statement is fucking bonkers. My mom couldn't get a fucking credit card unless someone with a swingin' dick allowed it while I was alive. You want to reach the end of the race on the backs of those running it. Fuck that.

Re: Politics

2406 by zorg
Frankie99 wrote: Wed Sep 11, 2024 1:05 pm
zorg wrote: Wed Sep 11, 2024 12:15 pm What little progress is made in very specific topics is self-driven, rather than politically, and usually what succeeds allows for marketing product to a new demographic.
FWIW, to use your words exactly, this statement is fucking bonkers. My mom couldn't get a fucking credit card unless someone with a swingin' dick allowed it while I was alive. You want to reach the end of the race on the backs of those running it. Fuck that.
oh dude, that is not the right card to play (no pun intended). Women (and everybody) were better off when you didn't have the option of buying groceries and getting into a lifelong debtors prison. Very much what I was getting at that legitimate suffragette and civil rights efforts were quickly co-opted by capitalists into new targets for "easy credit rip-offs" to quote Good Times. I'm sure you're right though and some good things have happened along the way.

Re: Politics

2408 by losthighway
zorg wrote: Wed Sep 11, 2024 12:15 pm
Frankie99 wrote: Wed Sep 11, 2024 11:43 am I'll ask that you focus that energy on the system, not its unwilling participants.
I agree with what you're saying, and think that is objectively true. But then this becomes a useless ouroboros....dispassionate voting leading to more dissatisfaction, leading to more dispassionate voting and so on. What little progress is made in very specific topics is self-driven, rather than politically, and usually what succeeds allows for marketing product to a new demographic. I'll stick with vigorous and righteous apathy.
This topic is Groundhogs' Day.

You don't support the system by voting. You don't change the system by voting (unless you're lucky enough to have a ballot initiative of that sort). You don't fight the system by not voting.

Your apathy isn't righteous, it's pretentiousness to mask laziness. Voting in an election is a civic duty that has potential to minimally decrease the odds of terrible things happening at the cost of minimal effort. The fact that some people can't lower themselves to the level to shade a fucking bubble is like being trapped in conversation by a vociferous atheist vegan on cocaine at a party.

Re: Politics

2409 by zorg
Wood Goblin wrote: Wed Sep 11, 2024 1:45 pm They weren’t better off: groceries/food costs as a share of income have halved since 1960. It is unquestionably cheaper to put food on the table now.
I was just talking about credit card debt being a scourge. I don't want to do a full accounting, and it's probably impossible anyways, however the consensus is that cost of living overall has gone up, not down.

Re: Politics

2410 by A_Man_Who_Tries
zorg wrote: Wed Sep 11, 2024 12:15 pm I agree with what you're saying, and think that is objectively true. But then this becomes a useless ouroboros....dispassionate voting leading to more dissatisfaction, leading to more dispassionate voting and so on. What little progress is made in very specific topics is self-driven....
Yeah, it's called the world mate. You continue to vote for the best incremental change and, inbetween times, you work every day in the name of the changes you wish to see. I know it's hard, but that's how it works. If you can't be arsed to do that work then your gripe card is revoked.
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