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zorg wrote: Wed Sep 11, 2024 2:05 pm
Wood Goblin wrote: Wed Sep 11, 2024 1:45 pm They weren’t better off: groceries/food costs as a share of income have halved since 1960. It is unquestionably cheaper to put food on the table now.
I was just talking about credit card debt being a scourge. I don't want to do a full accounting, and it's probably impossible anyways, however the consensus is that cost of living overall has gone up, not down.
The standard of living has been under assault since Reagan. That there was a double external shock that caused an inflation spike isn’t Biden’s doing.
Although I think in the US saying “that was the world” is a political anathema because the US is supposed to run the world so publicly admitting the US isn’t in control isn’t an option either.
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zorg wrote: Wed Sep 11, 2024 1:39 pm
Frankie99 wrote: Wed Sep 11, 2024 1:05 pm
zorg wrote: Wed Sep 11, 2024 12:15 pm What little progress is made in very specific topics is self-driven, rather than politically, and usually what succeeds allows for marketing product to a new demographic.
FWIW, to use your words exactly, this statement is fucking bonkers. My mom couldn't get a fucking credit card unless someone with a swingin' dick allowed it while I was alive. You want to reach the end of the race on the backs of those running it. Fuck that.
oh dude, that is not the right card to play (no pun intended). Women (and everybody) were better off when you didn't have the option of buying groceries and getting into a lifelong debtors prison. Very much what I was getting at that legitimate suffragette and civil rights efforts were quickly co-opted by capitalists into new targets for "easy credit rip-offs" to quote Good Times. I'm sure you're right though and some good things have happened along the way.
100% not interfacing with what I said, and creating a new argument to deflect. The argument is not whether credit is good or bad, but whether women should have equal access to it as men. In fact, the logical end of the argument you're creating is that we are making people's lives better by disallowing equal access.

Go off though.

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The NYT's never-ending quest to measure which side of the mouth undecided voters are drooling out of had their pen of bovines come out in favour of Trump as the better debate performance. Oh well, none of their votes count anyway, just like none of yours probably do.

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Anthony Flack wrote: Wed Sep 11, 2024 3:44 pm Oh well, none of their votes count anyway, just like none of yours probably do.
That's objectively wrong, particularly in closely-contested states where the margin for error is minimal.

If it's just general disillusionment you're speaking to, I get that 100%. Or if it's the willfully standing by while an actual genocide is happening you're (justifiably) frustrated with, I also agree to the hilt.

But votes count.

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It was also rich that you heard this same voting-changes-nothing/fuck-the-system-maaaaan argument re: H. Clinton, before Trump stacked the court and effectively overturned Roe. And well, people voted, and that was a pretty big change that occurred in American society a few years later. There's certainly a degree of cause and effect there.

For the record, I couldn't stand H. Clinton, but that didn't matter to me much in the scheme of things. Was pretty easy to see what the alternative would be.
Gramsci wrote:The standard of living has been under assault since Reagan.
Ain't that the truth.

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the only way to be heard in this country is be an undecided voter in a swing state. it's a good strategy.
Ms. Miller said she had voted Democratic in past presidential elections but decided to stop voting altogether about a year ago. Her own situation, and that of other Black women in Milwaukee, had not improved, she said.

On Tuesday, she felt nudged unexpectedly toward Mr. Trump.

“Trump’s pitch was a little more convincing than hers,” Ms. Miller said. “I guess I’m leaning more on his facts than her vision.”

Ms. Miller said that, while her heart pulls her to Ms. Harris’s potentially history-making candidacy, she finds herself thinking fondly of her old life.

“When Trump was in office — not going to lie — I was living way better,” she said. “I’ve never been so down as in the past four years. It’s been so hard for me.”

In Southern Arizona, Jason Henderson, a defense contractor and retired soldier, had been resigned to skipping the election, unable to stomach either candidate. Like Ms. Miller, though, he came away from the debate leaning, tenuously, toward the Republican nominee.

“Trump had the more commanding presentation,” Mr. Henderson said. “There was nothing done by Harris that made me think she’s better. In any way.”

Mr. Henderson, who voted for President Barack Obama and then for Mr. Trump, allowed that Mr. Trump “came off as crazy,” but he was no different from his appearances at rallies and in interviews.

His answers on Ukraine were weak, he said, but Mr. Trump successfully attacked Ms. Harris on the border and immigration.
for my part i'm surprised they didn't mention gun control or trump's ear.
covid was "the worst public health epidemic in a century," but nobody could articulate why they were better.
harris admitted the inflation reduction act was all about fracking and trump admitted that obamacare works and he doesn't care about ukraine or abortion.

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zorg wrote: Wed Sep 11, 2024 1:39 pm
Frankie99 wrote: Wed Sep 11, 2024 1:05 pm
zorg wrote: Wed Sep 11, 2024 12:15 pm What little progress is made in very specific topics is self-driven, rather than politically, and usually what succeeds allows for marketing product to a new demographic.
FWIW, to use your words exactly, this statement is fucking bonkers. My mom couldn't get a fucking credit card unless someone with a swingin' dick allowed it while I was alive. You want to reach the end of the race on the backs of those running it. Fuck that.
oh dude, that is not the right card to play (no pun intended). Women (and everybody) were better off when you didn't have the option of buying groceries and getting into a lifelong debtors prison. Very much what I was getting at that legitimate suffragette and civil rights efforts were quickly co-opted by capitalists into new targets for "easy credit rip-offs" to quote Good Times. I'm sure you're right though and some good things have happened along the way.
Surely you’re not saying that voting for Lincoln was no different than voting for Stevens, because emancipating the slaves simply meant that the capitalist machine was able to take advantage of them the same as white people?
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zorg wrote: Wed Sep 11, 2024 2:05 pm
Wood Goblin wrote: Wed Sep 11, 2024 1:45 pm They weren’t better off: groceries/food costs as a share of income have halved since 1960. It is unquestionably cheaper to put food on the table now.
I was just talking about credit card debt being a scourge. I don't want to do a full accounting, and it's probably impossible anyways, however the consensus is that cost of living overall has gone up, not down.
I was recently curious about buying power of the dollar in the USA vs 2004. Basically, $50K in 2004 had the same purchasing power as $84K today, that's avg across America.
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