Misogyny is definitely a large factor here. I'm waking up to the fact that we live in a country where it's terribly unlikely for a woman to be totally in charge.

It's not gonna be easy and it sucked the first time, but a lot of you lived thru this once. We can do it again. (And really, the dread around Reagan wasn't entirely dissimilar.)

I think you're now gonna see a Democratic party moving from center to center-right. Like it or not, we live in a weird little world here on the PRF. (I like it a lot, thanks.) But that's not how most people think. A relatively small number of Americans like to talk socialism now, but that's b/c many of them don't understand it and think it just means free shit w/o many catches.

The Dems' big mistake was waiting till a mentally iffy, aging president totally fucked up, then replacing him w/someone almost nobody got excited about aside from identity politics and optics-wise. And her story and last-minute installation made for a good headline. (Harris's policy was a mix of not-much and more-of-same.)

I also think it's naive for the media to assume that brown people, women, and gay people would vote in gigantic uniform blocks. (Not blaming any of this on anyone! At the end of the day, Trump is a dumbass dude's dude.) But I know a few of each who went for Trump, and I live in fucking NYC! Mostly b/c of immigration (seriously) and taxes. As they become "normalized" in America (that's a good thing), these groups will vote the same way everyone else does (that's not necessarily a good thing). Whether or not that's really in their best interests is another story...

Again, a lot of it comes down to the money, ie the person you perceive protecting your bank account and tax dollars. And even if Trump isn't remotely that guy in reality, he's got a fair number of people convinced he is. Plus a lot of people see him as an entertaining buffoon. We do, after all, live in the country that gave you Disney and Vegas.

Yeah, it fucking sucks. But we survived it once, I hope we can survive it again. Try to keep your heads above water out there.

OrthodoxEaster wrote: Wed Nov 06, 2024 7:51 am It's not gonna be easy and it sucked the first time, but a lot of you lived thru this once.

Mate, I hope for your sake it's that straightforward, but I can't see this being anything like the first time. The barriers then have been largely swept away, and he's now surrounded by either enablers or people with truly vile agendas, for which he'll gladly be a champion.

A_Man_Who_Tries wrote: Wed Nov 06, 2024 7:58 am

OrthodoxEaster wrote: Wed Nov 06, 2024 7:51 am It's not gonna be easy and it sucked the first time, but a lot of you lived thru this once.

Mate, I hope for your sake it's that straightforward, but I can't see this being anything like the first time. The barriers then have been largely swept away, and he's now surrounded by either enablers or people with truly vile agendas, for which he'll gladly be a champion.

Ukraine won’t survive it.

Wood Goblin wrote: Wed Nov 06, 2024 8:01 am

A_Man_Who_Tries wrote: Wed Nov 06, 2024 7:58 am

OrthodoxEaster wrote: Wed Nov 06, 2024 7:51 am It's not gonna be easy and it sucked the first time, but a lot of you lived thru this once.

Mate, I hope for your sake it's that straightforward, but I can't see this being anything like the first time. The barriers then have been largely swept away, and he's now surrounded by either enablers or people with truly vile agendas, for which he'll gladly be a champion.

Ukraine won’t survive it.

All this, and Republicans barely knew what trans people or DEI initiatives were in those years. Now it's a core target.

turns out no one wanted the girl boss genocide cop #stillwithher

dumbass wrote: Mon Jul 22, 2024 1:57 pm the truth is no one is excited about zero delegate Kamala, I'll be sitting this one out, its gonna be a blow out anyways...

Also.. you think Democrats will ever have a chance of winning again? With all 3 branches MAGA we will see the most extreme gerrymandering and rule bending we've ever seen.

This was it, folks. Maybe it would have happened in 2028 or 32 anyway but oh well.

penningtron wrote:

Wood Goblin wrote: Wed Nov 06, 2024 8:01 am

A_Man_Who_Tries wrote: Wed Nov 06, 2024 7:58 am

Mate, I hope for your sake it's that straightforward, but I can't see this being anything like the first time. The barriers then have been largely swept away, and he's now surrounded by either enablers or people with truly vile agendas, for which he'll gladly be a champion.

Ukraine won’t survive it.

All this, and Republicans barely knew what trans people or DEI initiatives were in those years. Now it's a core target.

About Ukraine, that's pretty much the point I made to another poster above.

My thoughts are that it will likely survive in some way, shape, or form, but at great cost. Ukraine has been thru far worse, it pains me to say. Czars, famines, genocides, Soviets. (As my late grandparents might have pointed out. Hard to ruffle them.)

As for trans people and DEI, that's true. At the same time, we thought gay culture wouldn't survive Reagan and the AIDS crisis (for which his administration did too little too late—or nothing at all) and well, it just took longer than any of us would have liked.

Trump is a blundering jerk who enacted much less than he promised during his first term. What worries me more is the potential competence of a Republican Senate and House.

Thanks also to the nonvoters out there who helped make this happen. Seriously, you proved your point, all of you. Enjoy the left moving center-right and the right staying nuts.

Rashida Tlaib and Ilhan Omar won re-election by comfortable margins, maybe its something else

losthighway wrote: Wed Nov 06, 2024 7:46 am Misogyny is definitely a large factor here. I'm waking up to the fact that we live in a country where it's terribly unlikely for a woman to be totally in charge.

Inflation alone would have lost it for dems, then add on the vagina and she didn’t have a chance / strongly believe Gaza/ukraine/whatever didn’t even matter.

I try to not to worry because we survived his first term, but it’s a different game now. Good luck ACA, I hardly knew/loved thee

Positive: Russian vacuum tubes will be cheap as chips, sorry China