Putin just wanted to de-Nazify Ukraine just like the Civil War was about states' rights. He isn't trying to steal its land and resources to form a new Russian Empire. And Catherine the Great was fucked by a horse.

penningtron wrote: Wed Nov 06, 2024 6:08 am p.s if Biden really wanted to put his stamp on history right now he'd.. ah who am I kidding.

Well apparently now he has presidential immunity....

TylerDeadPine wrote: Wed Nov 06, 2024 8:32 am Inflation alone would have lost it for dems

The exit polls are apparently reporting that the economy was the main factor.


Another indicator that education is failing.

zorg wrote: Wed Nov 06, 2024 9:38 am The best I can equate it to is that the average American (of late) regards their political candidate the same way that a football club supporter might.

Not a good formula for a functional democracy.

Yes! This is a thing not just in the US. IMO the politicians and the media fuel this because it diverts rational thinking, which is anathema to a functional democracy. Not that functional democracies actually exist.

zorg wrote: Wed Nov 06, 2024 11:07 am I have no opinion, and generally consider him to be a moron, but was the whole X purchase thing all just a build up to this? A medium term investment in a loss-leader cudgel to herd idiots with?

Well spotted. He did the 'free speech' propaganda thing which was basically a gaslighting exercise, then used it to further rich/right wing interests and is shadowbanning anything that doesn't fit his agenda.

Hex wrote: Wed Nov 06, 2024 4:55 pm Yet another example of “absolute piece of shit"

He made that clear when he drank the water in Michigan.

Obama, and Clinton before him, are as much responsible for this trump win as anybody. Both of them entered the Whitehouse on a wave of hope, and proceeded to decimate their supporters dreams and neglected to make actual real differences to ordinary people to the extent that their supporters felt abandoned, disillusioned and despondent enough to vote against their best interests. It's a pattern thats being played out around the globe, because money buys power.

When Trump lost he spent the next four years whipping up insurrection, complaining, threatening, lying and being as vile as possible. He gets reelected.His wannabes round these parts do the same now with every election cycle.

When Dems lose they bow in defeat, smiling and saying "good game".

Let’s maybe rethink the “voting against their [economic] interests ” garbage. I swear, Marxists are just as simplistic about economic motivations as Milton Friedman was.

If you’re a racist or a misogynist, then you didn’t vote against your interests.

Wood Goblin wrote: Wed Nov 06, 2024 9:53 pm Let’s maybe rethink the “voting against their [economic] interests ” garbage. I swear, Marxists are just as simplistic about economic motivations as Milton Friedman was.

If you’re a racist or a misogynist, then you didn’t vote against your interests.

Yeah the "economic anxiety" trope covered over a lot of racism in think pieces by Harvard educated analysts who started treating the working man as a majestic beast to observe in the diners of the rust belt.

The whole line of "what do you have to lose, the dems don't help you" only counts the first time. They've all seen what Donnie Bankrupt has to offer in comparison.

Well, if you really want to split hairs, one Newt Gingrich deserves a lot of the blame. He adopted the prejudiced politics of Jesse Helms, and established the architecture for the Tea Party movement. We wouldn't be here without teabaggers.