Curry Pervert wrote: Wed Nov 06, 2024 7:59 pm
buncha crap about Ukraine
Hey, watch out for that
statue and
commemoration day! That's your defense?
You're using statues of Bandera—an independence leader who died in the '50s and had a complicated, if murderous legacy (kinda like Lenin or Stalin in that respect, whose statues are all over Ukraine and the post-Soviet world to this day)—to partly justify the full-on invasion of a country and the abduction of nearly 20,000 children?
By that logic, newly independent Ukraine should have just dropped its '90s nuclear arsenal on Moscow b/c of all those Stalin busts the Russians made Ukrainians look at for decades—to use a far more brutal and genocidal "hero" than Bandera. Might have preemptively solved the problem.
Russia has been using Bandera's name as an excuse to imprison, torture, starve, and kill independence-minded Ukrainians—quite a few of whom had or have nothing to do w/him—since forever. And still does this today.
I'm w/Krev on this. Need I remind you of Ukraine's Jewish president. And of all the
actual neo-Nazis in the West and Russia that sympathize w/Putin, believe conspiracies about a NATO/US plot, and don't think the majority of Ukrainians should determine when and how they leave Russia's political and economic orbit.
Your wanky-tankie narrative is not quite so "widely accepted" (your words) in the West as you say. I called it "largely invented" not to mean that you personally invented it—but
of course you thought that—but to mean that it is... mostly a fabrication. A lot of it was promoted heavily in the '00s and '10s by Russian state media, RT's Western press blitz at the time specifically.
Some people on the left agree w/you, perhaps an equal or greater number do not. More accurate to say it's the subject of much debate in those circles. Your take is big w/conspiracy-minded dicks, Soviet apologists, and bros who get pumped when they see phantom Nazis everywhere.
But you know where your take is quite ubiquitous in America these days? The fuckin' far right!
The example of you aligning w/someone such as Trump (who, like you, thinks NATO provoked the Ukraine issue) and conservative America
literally defines what "horseshoe theory" is. For real. (Unless, of course, you're a secret Republican or some other shit I totally missed. In which case, go pop a cork.)
Anyway, you should be thrilled. Ukraine is even more fucked now. And the guy calling the shots on this side of the pond sees the root cause exactly as you do.
Like I said before, discussing this w/you became pointless long ago.
Oh, but if I don't respond to you or I cool out again, I'm sure you'll just post some gloating nonsense again about shutting me up or whatever. Pfft.
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