Lu Zwei wrote: Wed Nov 06, 2024 11:13 am

ChudFusk wrote: Wed Nov 06, 2024 2:49 am To everyone who has shidded on Bernie Sanders over the years: would this be any worse if Bernie ran and lost? At least we would have had a candidate with real values and a lifetime of service. I know he didn't run this time around but in the past people were so afraid that he'd lose. And here we are losing again.

Isn't there some young progressive dude from Pennsylvania that is groomed for a run at presidency!?

He probably moved to Seattle or Austin or something.

Kniferide wrote: Wed Nov 06, 2024 11:39 am

Lu Zwei wrote: Wed Nov 06, 2024 11:13 am

ChudFusk wrote: Wed Nov 06, 2024 2:49 am To everyone who has shidded on Bernie Sanders over the years: would this be any worse if Bernie ran and lost? At least we would have had a candidate with real values and a lifetime of service. I know he didn't run this time around but in the past people were so afraid that he'd lose. And here we are losing again.

Isn't there some young progressive dude from Pennsylvania that is groomed for a run at presidency!?

He probably moved to Seattle or Austin or something.

He beat Dr. Oz for Senator then left the left and became a hardcore Zionist after having a stroke.

joe_lmr wrote: Wed Nov 06, 2024 1:03 pm

Kniferide wrote: Wed Nov 06, 2024 11:39 am

Lu Zwei wrote: Wed Nov 06, 2024 11:13 am

Isn't there some young progressive dude from Pennsylvania that is groomed for a run at presidency!?

He probably moved to Seattle or Austin or something.

He beat Dr. Oz for Senator then left the left and became a hardcore Zionist after having a stroke.

I think the subject at hand is Gov. Josh Shapiro, an unctuous Obama retread who is best avoided imho.

A related question - going forward who will be the face of the democratic party?
AOC probably has the most social cred, tho I believe she would be most aligned to many of the progressive policies that were rejected by voters.
Fetterman would help rebuild the blue wall, noting progressive anger around his positions on the war
Gavin Newson personifies an elitism that I can't see play well to the sider electorate
Josh Shapiro and Gretchen Whitmer wisely/selfishly sat this cycle out, knowing their best prospects to take the throne would be this next go around, so I guess one of the two.

Pelosi was formidable and ruthless in her ability to corral the party; a win would have created enough gravitational pull around Kamala but now she leaves big boots to fill

If it isn't AOC, then it needs to be somebody currently not on the radar. Can't see anyone else with the necessary combination of youth, point-of-view, and ground-level experience.

pb183max wrote: Thu Nov 07, 2024 5:11 am A related question - going forward who will be the face of the democratic party?

The flip side (silver lining?) is no one else can do what Trump does. His biggest imitators lose and no one actually likes JD Vance.

A_Man_Who_Tries wrote: If it isn't AOC, then it needs to be somebody currently not on the radar. Can't see anyone else with the necessary combination of youth, point-of-view, and ground-level experience.

Definitely not AOC. She’s great but so many people hate her that it will be too much of a distraction. Obviously they’ll dig shit up about anyone, but she’s already one of the biggest “celebrities” in Washington and that’s not a good thing.

Also, they can’t be a decade younger than me. Not yet.

pb183max wrote: Thu Nov 07, 2024 5:11 am A related question - going forward who will be the face of the democratic party?
AOC probably has the most social cred, tho I believe she would be most aligned to many of the progressive policies that were rejected by voters.
Fetterman would help rebuild the blue wall, noting progressive anger around his positions on the war
Gavin Newson personifies an elitism that I can't see play well to the sider electorate
Josh Shapiro and Gretchen Whitmer wisely/selfishly sat this cycle out, knowing their best prospects to take the throne would be this next go around, so I guess one of the two.

Pelosi was formidable and ruthless in her ability to corral the party; a win would have created enough gravitational pull around Kamala but now she leaves big boots to fill

Gavin Newson is Jerry Brown.

Fetterman? Snuggie Jesse Ventura, that's who you're going to hang your hopes on? I thought he was out sick with stress anyways. I think Whitmer might stick around as a Governor in a swing state with kind of reasonable middle of the road appeal. But I haven't the slightest, honestly.

kicker_of_elves wrote: Thu Nov 07, 2024 9:00 am

pb183max wrote: Thu Nov 07, 2024 5:11 am A related question - going forward who will be the face of the democratic party?
AOC probably has the most social cred, tho I believe she would be most aligned to many of the progressive policies that were rejected by voters.
Fetterman would help rebuild the blue wall, noting progressive anger around his positions on the war
Gavin Newson personifies an elitism that I can't see play well to the sider electorate
Josh Shapiro and Gretchen Whitmer wisely/selfishly sat this cycle out, knowing their best prospects to take the throne would be this next go around, so I guess one of the two.

Pelosi was formidable and ruthless in her ability to corral the party; a win would have created enough gravitational pull around Kamala but now she leaves big boots to fill

Gavin Newson is Jerry Brown.

Does Jello have a new rendition of California Über Alles yet?