Hex wrote: Fri Nov 08, 2024 4:30 pm The GOP lied their asses off about their policies helping people and created fear campaigns against trans people and immigrants and the dems absolutely refused to offer *anything*. They didn’t even go out and explain why the republican’s polices would be devastating for people. Imagine if they ran on a strong platform of “we’re going to give everyone healthcare, a universal basic income, make sure that if you’re facing hard times that you have a safety net”. Imagine if they ran ads where all that shit was in bold. They could have had absolutely no intention to implement those things (just like the GOP has absolutely no intention to make anything better) and won. Instead they chose to run an “honest” campaign of promising fucking nothing. The moment Harris stated that she wasn’t going to do anything different than Biden she sealed her fate. Such fucking pieces of shit

exactly right again.
Anderson & dana both gave her the opportunity to distance herself from Biden and she steadfastly refused.

Hex wrote: Fri Nov 08, 2024 4:30 pm The GOP lied their asses off about their policies helping people and created fear campaigns against trans people and immigrants and the dems absolutely refused to offer *anything*.

Now that you mention it, the only campaign propaganda I saw about gender was from the Republican side. But now we have douchebags like hbidenonlyfans guy's dude blaming liberals for making everything about gender when in fact the Democrats left trans people out in the cold. It's the classic rope-a-dope of bringing up a subject and blaming it on the people who respond to it. Farting in a room and then blaming it on they who smelt it. Except in this case the Democrats are pretending not to even smell it.

Actually I wasn’t being entirely accurate; in response to the GOP’s attacks on immigrants the dems didn’t do nothing, instead they conceded and decided Trump’s fucking stupid wall was a good thing and went on about how they were going to do it *better*

The GOP learned very early on that laws mean fucking nothing if they aren’t enforced, broke them constantly and got away with it, and then when in power they can change them after the fact and use them as a hammer against their opponents. The Dems apparently thought repeating over and over again that “Trump lied! Trump broke the law!” while doing absolutely nothing else of substance was good enough. Every fucking time anyone said “hey Biden, do something good” some sniveling asshole would respond “erm, actually, he doesn’t have the legal power to”. Meanwhile Trump didn’t give a shit. What the fuck did his felony convictions even *do*?

Hex wrote: Fri Nov 08, 2024 4:30 pm Imagine if they ran on a strong platform of “we’re going to give everyone healthcare, a universal basic income, make sure that if you’re facing hard times that you have a safety net”.

Whoa, whoa, whoa! Those are big scary ideas and Americans won't like it. /s

That was exactly why Bernie was popular and exactly his take on why the Democrats lost. You're absolutely right on this.

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/p ... 235158805/

Another Democratic operative close to Harrisworld says they sent memos and data to Harris campaign staffers underscoring how, among other things, Republican voters, believe it or not, vote Republican — and that the data over the past year screamed that Democrats instead needed to reassure and energize the liberal base and Dem-leaning working class in battleground states. “We were told, basically, to get lost, no thank you,” says the operative.

jesus christ

I mean jfc, bipartisanship died in the George W. Bush presidency.

A_Man_Who_Tries wrote: Thu Nov 07, 2024 11:20 am

cakes wrote: Thu Nov 07, 2024 10:44 am Honestly, you can't really blame him.

You can, and you should. He's a fucking prick. A fair and just world requires work and attention. So he can't be arsed, well fuck him. I hope he chokes on it.

Without more information about this individual, that is an unfair judgment.

The most powerful effect of being crushed by your material circumstances is a lack of mental/financial resources to adequately engage with the world you live in; it's almost certainly a state of being that is deliberately imposed upon people by those in power because people who are secure in their living conditions are able to make time for civic engagement.

Capital/the powers in control of the U.S. have done an extraordinary job of keeping the majority of the country just poor enough to keep them in a state of perpetual torpor, while making sure they don't get too desperate and coming to the conclusion that there is nothing left to lose. Maybe they'll get too greedy and cross a line, but I doubt it because the mechanisms underlying the U.S. Constitution make such a system extraordinarily resilient--primarily by ensuring that a horrible regime, like Trump's, cannot remain in power overly long.

Hex wrote: Fri Nov 08, 2024 5:05 pm https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/p ... 235158805/

Another Democratic operative close to Harrisworld says they sent memos and data to Harris campaign staffers underscoring how, among other things, Republican voters, believe it or not, vote Republican — and that the data over the past year screamed that Democrats instead needed to reassure and energize the liberal base and Dem-leaning working class in battleground states. “We were told, basically, to get lost, no thank you,” says the operative.

jesus christ

she just wasn’t ready for the job this year.
That’s what I’m hearing here. Many better choices were waiting in the wings. They weren’t thinking this far ahead when Biden picked her four years ago.

Hex wrote: Fri Nov 08, 2024 9:33 amOnly ONE thing has historically been able to defeat a fascist government, and it wasn’t voting or incremental reform within a fascist government.

The unfortunate truth is that the only way bigoted people will come anywhere close to leaving minorities alone is if they know that the majority their targets have teeth. I've been saying it for years; we've long passed the point where trying to talk it out is going to accomplish anything meaningful because the right doesn't give a shit because they see everyone else as an easy target.

I think anyone who is LGBTQ or brown or female ought to seriously consider arming themselves, and I don't really care how upset white liberals who don't have to worry about getting beaten up or raped or shot get about it. "Oh, no, beating up a Nazi is bad." Well, if everyone knew they'd always 100% get the shit beat out of them for being a Nazi, maybe they wouldn't be roaming around river towns in groups harassing and stalking brown people. Boy, those years of finger-wagging and calling people out for fighting back sure were effective in stopping far right violence, weren't they? "Oh, but it will provoke them into more violence." Homeboy, the fact that us minorities exist is provocation enough for them!

Hex wrote: Fri Nov 08, 2024 10:35 amI think a huge number of people are just in denial about how awful so many people are.

I've lived in Minnesota for most of my life and people move here from Texas and act like the north doesn't suffer from any of the -isms or that it's a tiny percentage of people. "At least it's not Texas." And I have to politely remind them that it's a load of bullshit. Once you get past the facade of niceness and interact with the average middle and working class white people up here, it becomes apparent that most of them don't need a lot of convincing to vote for someone like Trump. Most of middle America is bigoted as shit, they're just less public about it and don't use the racial and homophobic and transphobic slurs until they feel "safe" around you. The ugly truth is that a majority of Americans are really gross people. They will absolutely sell you out for a cent off gasoline.

I still remember when I worked at New Flyer and the employees were using "Mondays" as code for the n-word. "I sure hate Mondays, hyuk hyuk hyuk. There's too many Mondays around here lately, gyuh-hyork!"