Hex wrote: Fri Nov 08, 2024 4:30 pm Imagine if they ran on a strong platform of “we’re going to give everyone healthcare, a universal basic income, make sure that if you’re facing hard times that you have a safety net”.

Whoa, whoa, whoa! Those are big scary ideas and Americans won't like it. /s

That was exactly why Bernie was popular and exactly his take on why the Democrats lost. You're absolutely right on this.

I mean jfc, bipartisanship died in the George W. Bush presidency.

A_Man_Who_Tries wrote: Thu Nov 07, 2024 11:20 am

cakes wrote: Thu Nov 07, 2024 10:44 am Honestly, you can't really blame him.

You can, and you should. He's a fucking prick. A fair and just world requires work and attention. So he can't be arsed, well fuck him. I hope he chokes on it.

Without more information about this individual, that is an unfair judgment.

The most powerful effect of being crushed by your material circumstances is a lack of mental/financial resources to adequately engage with the world you live in; it's almost certainly a state of being that is deliberately imposed upon people by those in power because people who are secure in their living conditions are able to make time for civic engagement.

Capital/the powers in control of the U.S. have done an extraordinary job of keeping the majority of the country just poor enough to keep them in a state of perpetual torpor, while making sure they don't get too desperate and coming to the conclusion that there is nothing left to lose. Maybe they'll get too greedy and cross a line, but I doubt it because the mechanisms underlying the U.S. Constitution make such a system extraordinarily resilient--primarily by ensuring that a horrible regime, like Trump's, cannot remain in power overly long.

Hex wrote: Fri Nov 08, 2024 5:05 pm https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/p ... 235158805/

Another Democratic operative close to Harrisworld says they sent memos and data to Harris campaign staffers underscoring how, among other things, Republican voters, believe it or not, vote Republican — and that the data over the past year screamed that Democrats instead needed to reassure and energize the liberal base and Dem-leaning working class in battleground states. “We were told, basically, to get lost, no thank you,” says the operative.

jesus christ

she just wasn’t ready for the job this year.
That’s what I’m hearing here. Many better choices were waiting in the wings. They weren’t thinking this far ahead when Biden picked her four years ago.

Hex wrote: Fri Nov 08, 2024 9:33 amOnly ONE thing has historically been able to defeat a fascist government, and it wasn’t voting or incremental reform within a fascist government.

The unfortunate truth is that the only way bigoted people will come anywhere close to leaving minorities alone is if they know that the majority their targets have teeth. I've been saying it for years; we've long passed the point where trying to talk it out is going to accomplish anything meaningful because the right doesn't give a shit because they see everyone else as an easy target.

I think anyone who is LGBTQ or brown or female ought to seriously consider arming themselves, and I don't really care how upset white liberals who don't have to worry about getting beaten up or raped or shot get about it. "Oh, no, beating up a Nazi is bad." Well, if everyone knew they'd always 100% get the shit beat out of them for being a Nazi, maybe they wouldn't be roaming around river towns in groups harassing and stalking brown people. Boy, those years of finger-wagging and calling people out for fighting back sure were effective in stopping far right violence, weren't they? "Oh, but it will provoke them into more violence." Homeboy, the fact that us minorities exist is provocation enough for them!

Hex wrote: Fri Nov 08, 2024 10:35 amI think a huge number of people are just in denial about how awful so many people are.

I've lived in Minnesota for most of my life and people move here from Texas and act like the north doesn't suffer from any of the -isms or that it's a tiny percentage of people. "At least it's not Texas." And I have to politely remind them that it's a load of bullshit. Once you get past the facade of niceness and interact with the average middle and working class white people up here, it becomes apparent that most of them don't need a lot of convincing to vote for someone like Trump. Most of middle America is bigoted as shit, they're just less public about it and don't use the racial and homophobic and transphobic slurs until they feel "safe" around you. The ugly truth is that a majority of Americans are really gross people. They will absolutely sell you out for a cent off gasoline.

I still remember when I worked at New Flyer and the employees were using "Mondays" as code for the n-word. "I sure hate Mondays, hyuk hyuk hyuk. There's too many Mondays around here lately, gyuh-hyork!"

Gramsci wrote: Fri Nov 08, 2024 1:21 pm I remember a while back there was an Arm Progressives pro-gun leftist movement.

Three letter agencies calling.

ErickC wrote: Fri Nov 08, 2024 7:20 pmI think anyone who is LGBTQ or brown or female ought to seriously consider arming themselves, and I don't really care how upset white liberals who don't have to worry about getting beaten up or raped or shot get about it.

I’ve been saying this forever. Do we really want the fascists and fanatics to be the only ones with guns? Who do you think they have their AR-15 arsenals aimed at?

ErickC wrote: Fri Nov 08, 2024 7:20 pmHomeboy, the fact that us minorities exist is provocation enough for them.

Exactly.

ChudFusk wrote: Fri Nov 08, 2024 8:12 pm

ErickC wrote: Fri Nov 08, 2024 7:20 pmI think anyone who is LGBTQ or brown or female ought to seriously consider arming themselves, and I don't really care how upset white liberals who don't have to worry about getting beaten up or raped or shot get about it.

I’ve been saying this forever. Do we really want the fascists and fanatics to be the only ones with guns? Who do you think they have their AR-15 arsenals aimed at?

ErickC wrote: Fri Nov 08, 2024 7:20 pmHomeboy, the fact that us minorities exist is provocation enough for them.

Exactly.

THIS! Enough Monday morning Quarterbacking

WE got a lot of work to do.

kokorodoko wrote: Fri Nov 08, 2024 12:29 pm Here, a short text dealing with the biolabs thing.

Yes I've seen that before thanks. Did you even read your own link? In it, and a link it provides to a US govt. factsheet, is the admission that the US govt is funding and supporting 46 biolabs in Ukraine. The claim they are debunking is that the biolabs are ran by the US military, and/or are owned by the US govt.

kokorodoko wrote: Fri Nov 08, 2024 12:29 pm give up this idea that you are in the know against "State Department" sheeple, and that you're sitting on truth-nukes that are going to blow us all away.

Putting words in people's mouths, making up ideas they supposedly have in their heads, strawmen, ad hominems.... seems to be a pattern amongst a certain demographic around here.

kokorodoko wrote: Fri Nov 08, 2024 12:29 pm Also, please donate, if you can.

Wow. Help the army.... so you're really just a warmonger then. Your position on all this makes so much more sense now you've posted that link.

You could have posted any number of other links there.

unrefugees
UNICEF
Red Cross
Help Ukraine Center
Warchild
United Help Ukraine
Ukraine Helpers

That's just a handful of organisations trying to help the people.

But you chose that. Because it's not like the US, UK and others are sending billions in aid and weapons already, is it?

Maybe you should look at one of the other bits on that site and put your money where your mouth is:

Enlist in Ukraine’s International Legion
·If your citizenship is other than Ukrainian, but you are standing with Ukraine against the Russian invasion, if you want actively participate in fighting for European freedom and democracy, if you have combat experience, sign up for Ukraine’s international legion.

And the final cherry on the cake -

U24.gov.ua was launched on 5 May by President Zelenskyy

This donated money is being administered by a guy named in the Pandora Papers? What could possibly go wrong?

ErickC wrote: Fri Nov 08, 2024 7:20 pm "Oh, no, beating up a Nazi is bad."

There used to be a "Punching a Nazi" thread on here. Maybe it should be resurrected.