ChudFusk wrote: Sat Nov 09, 2024 9:25 pm
jirbling rake wrote: Sat Nov 09, 2024 4:30 am
ChudFusk wrote: Fri Nov 08, 2024 8:12 pm
I’ve been saying this forever. Do we really want the fascists and fanatics to be the only ones with guns? Who do you think they have their AR-15 arsenals aimed at?
The problem with guns is that data shows most are used for suicides, domestic arguments, or against the owner in robberies/home protection/fights.
You know statistics can change, right? With responsible gun ownership and better mental health care (which we can provide ourselves as communities if we give a shit about each other). Nobody who is a suicide risk should be taking on the responsibility of a firearm in the first place.
I agree with you on both these points. What I was referring to was the fact that studies show just having easier access to a gun increases the likelihood of using it in a suicide attempt. Humans are impulsive, and guns help make that impulse easier to act upon.
A few quick articles on the matter:
"Research shows that access to a gun in the home increases the risk of suicide death by 300%. "
- from Brady (
https://www.bradyunited.org/resources/i ... the-states)
"State-level firearm ownership was associated with an increase in both male and female firearm-related suicide rates and with a decrease in nonfirearm-related suicide rates. Higher gun ownership was associated with higher suicide rates by any means among male, but not among female, persons."
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https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC4984734/
"Firearms are the most lethal method of suicide attempts, and about half of suicide attempts take place within 10 minutes of the current suicide thought, so having access to firearms is a suicide risk factor. The availability of firearms has been linked to suicides in a number of peer-reviewed studies. In one such study, researchers examined the association between firearm availability and suicide while also accounting for the potential confounding influence of state-level suicidal behaviors (as measured by suicide attempts). Researchers found that higher rates of gun ownership were associated with increased suicide by firearm deaths, but not with other types of suicide."
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https://www.kff.org/mental-health/issue ... y-firearm/
I still agree that some form of protection is needed for progressives against fascists.
"I got to tell you, if I went to a show and an opening band I never heard of lugged a Super Six on stage, I am paying attention." - Owen