the strongest factor is...

women/divorce (No votes)
social pressure/stigma
Total votes: 6 (50%)
guns
Total votes: 2 (17%)
we don't care
Total votes: 4 (33%)
Total votes: 12

Re: Why are white men 3 or 4x more likely to kill themselves?

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dontfeartheringo wrote: Fri Oct 25, 2024 2:28 pm
Gramsci wrote: Sun Oct 20, 2024 2:35 pm Hugely social. Countries without guns have similar stats.

My take on any issue like this is the massive gap between what men are told they are expected to be by our society and economic system and reality. This also speaks to toxic masculinity and every other psychological pathology you can think of. It’s not just women and minority groups that capitalism fucks, it’s baseline white dudes. That ripped influencer with the lambo and the reality of your 9 to 5 experience are so glaringly disparate it’s almost like life is now performative rather than experiential.

The non-real expectations that society imprints on men is self generating and insane.

My exit from this is to focus on how wonderful a basic, normal life can be. Let’s celebrate everyday people exhibiting everyday kindness. I try and think about this a lot. I credit our departed Dear Leader for helping me (not in person) understand that making music for the sake of it, as a social experience and/or creative process rather than “to do it as a job” and “be a rockstar” is the goal. I try to apply this across my life.
I think this is very close to the mark. As the tide goes out on post WW2 American economic supremacy, two generations, maybe three, of American men are still comparing their daily life to their Grandfathers'. You said 9-to-5. In rural America, that workday is often 6:45-6. As the gap between "hours worked" and "what I can't buy" gets wider due to the increased pressure on businesses to make absurd profits in a fading empire, dudes are tired. Labor is increasingly treated as a nuisance expense, and under capitalism the only resource these men have to sell is their labor.

When I worked at the needle exchange, I saw hundreds of working class white men over 50 in active addiction. These were men who worked a couple three jobs until they fell off a ladder and got prescribed 30 mg oxys for the pain. They went home and washed three down with a High Life (Champaign of Beers, motherfucker) because their shit was hurting bad, son. Twenty five minutes later, for the first time in their lives, they didn't feel anxious. After that, it was all slippery slopes and the loss of everything they'd ever loved.

You get built up from a young age:
"You have two jobs as a man- Protection and Providence."
"You build or buy what you need, never borrow."
"You are the rock for your wife and children."
"If you fail, don't darken my doorway."
"I will not come get you out of jail. Call someone else."

The first man I ever saw dead was a farmer who had hanged himself. Rugged individualism assumes that you will never need to ask for help.

I'm a rural white dude, albeit with urban pretensions and a white collar job. I can tell you that the safety net frayed and vanished ages ago. Why do men like me, with a closet full of guns and a belly full of anxiety, kill ourselves in Late-Stage Capitalism? Because we were sold a bill of goods and told it was our fault if we were made redundant to Capital.

Fuck you, that's why.
Fucking bravo. Sincerely.

oh now this is weird

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A Minnesota dad who ranted against President-elect Donald Trump online shot and killed his wife, ex-partner, and his two sons before turning the gun on himself, according to authorities.

The shooter, 46-year-old Anthony Nephew, had a “pattern of mental health issues,” Duluth Police Chief Mike Ceynowa said on Friday — one day after authorities found five people dead inside two homes in the city.

Authorities found Anthony Nephew’s ex-partner Erin Abramson, 47, and their son, Jacob Nephew, 15, dead from apparent gunshot wounds inside their home Thursday afternoon, police said.

A father with a history of mental health issues killed his ex and his wife, as well as his two sons before committing suicide.

After identifying Anthony Nephew as a suspect, police found his 45-year-old wife Kathryn Nephew, and their 7-year-old son Oliver Nephew dead from gunshot wounds inside their family home close by.

Anthony Nephew was also found dead inside the home from a self-inflicted gunshot wound, police said.

Before his rampage, Anthony Nephew had been sharing left-wing and anti-Trump posts on his Facebook account.
in july tony nephew wrote:“My mental health and the world can no longer peacefully coexist, and a lot of the reason is religion,”

“I am terrified of religious zealots inflicting their misguided beliefs on me and my family. I have intrusive thoughts of being burned at the stake as a witch, or crucified on a burning cross.

“Having people actually believe that I or my child are Satan or, the anti-Christ or whatever their favorite color of boogie man they are afraid are this week.”
Anthony Nephew was known for posting extreme ideas on social media.

In another post, he accused Republicans of “making it harder for women to leave” abusive relationships.

“Gilead here we come,” he wrote, referencing “The Handmaid’s Tale,” a dystopian novel turned Hulu series in which women, who have been stripped of their rights, are forced to reproduce for the ruling class.

Anthony Nephew shared other political posts, including an image of former president Barack Obama, Trump, President Joe Biden and Vice President Kamala Harris. The word “hate” sits under Trump’s face, while the words “hope,” “heal” and “grow” correspond with the Democratic politicians.

Nephew’s sons were 15 and 7 years old.
“Not that anyone cares, but as an Independent voter, I would really like to see both the political parties in our country pick better candidates. We can do better than a binary choice between fascism and not fascism.”
Anthony Nephew previously even issued a chilling warning about his mental health battles, writing in an op-ed in the local Duluth News Tribune in 2021,
“For millions of Americans, a breakdown leads to suicide — or homicide before suicide.”

“Mental health in this country is stigmatized, ignored, or treated as a burden for the individual to bear alone, with little help and less understanding,” he wrote.
Nephew was outspoken with his feelings about U.S. politics and mental health.
“Americans deny they have mental health struggles. Because they have to, because they’re told to, or because they don’t realize their mind is broken.”
Police in Duluth, a city of nearly 90,000 residents about 135 miles north of Minneapolis, have not yet determined a motive in the shootings.
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Re: Why are white men 3 or 4x more likely to kill themselves?

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hbiden@onlyfans.com wrote: Mon Nov 11, 2024 8:10 am
Krev wrote: Sun Nov 10, 2024 7:41 pm Awful crypto-libertarian take fails, try to misrepresent as joke. I can't wait for four years of that.
Real crypto libertarians (like Andy and gonzochicago) are going to make a killing.
I don’t even know what a blockchain is. :(
Only if they dump before Trump attention runs out on crypto.
clocker bob may 30, 2006 wrote:I think the possibility of interbreeding between an earthly species and an extraterrestrial species is as believable as any other explanation for the existence of George W. Bush.

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