The terrifying thing is that many of those Jan. 6 goons will gladly use the same logic on you. Hell, they already do. But "see!?" they'd crow as an excuse for some act of violence. And so, it escalates.

They're beyond wrong, of course. But that would be their excuse. And so, you play right into the trap by thinking like they do.

??? I’m not that one arguing that logic, you are you fucking dipshit
Of fucking course you can’t argue against people with no basis in reality. My entire fucking point is that you *HAVE* to use force against assholes like this, you’re not going to be able to reason and logic your way out of this shit with them. You seem to think they give a shit about having their beliefs grounded in reality, the same people who lie out both sides of their mouths whenever they speak and will do anything to hold power? “B-b-but they believe they are right in what they are doing too!” Yeah that’s why you *need* to fucking shoot Nazis and those in power who do their bidding!!! Jesus fucking christ you assholes care more about following fantasy rules that fascists don’t even give a shit about than actually keeping them out of power and material consequences

losthighway wrote: Sat Dec 07, 2024 2:07 pm

Hex wrote: Sat Dec 07, 2024 12:44 pm I have never claimed anywhere that I could never see myself committing something like that, and I fail to see the logic where you get “someone encouraging someone else to do something they wouldn’t themselves is wrong” from.

Be real. Are you willing and able to kill an unsuspecting person?

Absolutely, within particular conditions. But it would be irrelevant even if I wasn’t.

I mainly don't think it's fair to condemn people sitting around the crap/not crap thread for their take when you're sitting indoors gabbing about it with the rest of us.

I am fucking out there on the ground helping my community, one that is currently being targeted by genocide, survive. I am out there getting people in several states the medication they need. I have literally saved people’s fucking lives through decisive action. I’m doing the care work for victims of these horrible systems, but the best medicine of all is to prevent this shit from happening in the first place, and that’s not going to come without resistance. Some of your fucking attitudes are a serious threat to our survival which is why I’m on here yelling at you. I know this is a topic regarding a healthcare ceo but the struggle is shared between victims of systemic violence whether it be through denial of healthcare or discriminatory laws (something that trans people face an intersection of, so I’m especially fired up). Take your projection and shove it up your fucking ass

With regards to the argument that revolution in Haiti was ok but not other examples, what level of systemic violence is considered acceptable for you before you consider it ok for people to fight back? Does it need to be literal fucking slavery before you’re ok with it? Why the fuck do you get to be the judge of that for those who are victimized? I’ve brought up countless examples of what the trans community has experienced, the people in my life who have suffered and died, the continuing legislative attacks and threat of detransition and imprisonment and rape. Fucking crickets from you all there. Is it only if they are actively rounding people up that it’s acceptable? We just gotta let it get to that? God I’m done arguing, there are people here who understand it, but the rest of you, I fucking hate you and I’m done wasting my breath here

Hex wrote: Fri Dec 06, 2024 4:56 pm

hbiden@onlyfans.com wrote: Fri Dec 06, 2024 4:24 pm

ChudFusk wrote: Fri Dec 06, 2024 4:00 pm If I didn’t have a good life, I would have done something like this a long time ago. I’m glad I didn’t do it but I’m grateful that someone did and I hope we see more actions like this, assuming it was done for a good reason.

ok you just made a good case for living a good life. bad lives produces worse choices.
death is not the answer.

It seems pretty clear to me from the context of saying he’s grateful someone else did it, that he’s glad he himself didn’t do it because it would have negatively affected his life, not because it was inherently a “bad” choice.

that's how i understood it as well. gleeful justification of murder. not just celebrating it, but wishing you could do it yourself. it took less than an hour for you and him to prove my point.

after this

Hex wrote: Fri Dec 06, 2024 6:24 pm I don’t give a shit about “morality”.

it was only a matter of time before this

Hex wrote: Sat Dec 07, 2024 2:44 pm I fucking hate you and I’m done wasting my breath here

i hope you find healing/love.

ARE YOU EVEN FUCKING COMPREHENDING WHAT I’M FUCKING TYPING??? DID YOU READ WHERE I DIDNT CARE ABOUT MORALITY *BECAUSE* I CARE MORE ABOUT ACTUAL FELT CONSEQUENCES???

YOU SAY I PROVED YOUR POINT BUT HOW??? YOUR “POINT” WAS “DEATH IS NOT THE ANSWER.” I HAVE MAINTAINED CONSISTENTLY THAT ACTUALLY, I THINK IT IS IN SOME CASES, LIKE THE VERY FUCKING ONE THIS TOPIC IS ABOUT. WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU ON ABOUT???

“I hope you find healing/love”

GEE, THANKS FOR TELLING ME WHAT EVERY FUCKING RELIGIOUS FUNDAMENTALIST SAYS WHEN THEY SEE I’M TRANS.

GO FUCK YOURSELF, YOU PIECE OF SHIT

Hex wrote: Sat Dec 07, 2024 2:38 pm I am fucking out there on the ground helping my community, one that is currently being targeted by genocide, survive. I am out there getting people in several states the medication they need. I have literally saved people’s fucking lives through decisive action. I’m doing the care work for victims of these horrible systems.

Which is awesome. Seriously. No one can talk shit about that. I will happily speak up against anyone who would doubt the value of that. You are doing a great thing.

It does not however make you a moral authority on murder.

I'm not going to open my mind to just blasting dudes because an EMT says so, or a school psychologist, or a disability advocate, or a public defender. Someone's virtue or struggle doesn't give them higher standing to dictate who gets to live. It doesn't work like that.

Haiti has come up twice, I could write 1,000 more words about Haiti on here than anyone wants to read. Fortunately I'm on my phone, so I'll leave it at this. Read about what happened in Haiti. It will show you how quickly the righteous uprising against an oppressor can turn; just how dark the sense of entitlement on people's lives can get.

Hex wrote: Sat Dec 07, 2024 3:48 pm I CARE MORE ABOUT ACTUAL FELT CONSEQUENCES

united healthcare will go on living. mrs. thompson will get a hefty life insurance settlement. the only other guy feeling consequences here will be the killer.
is that the guy you want to be?

“I don’t think the people of the slave states will ever consider the subject of slavery in its true light till some other argument is resorted to other than moral persuasion."

I think John Brown did a correct thing and I think the shooter did as well. Certainly more in line with JB than J6.

Hex has a point in that they have to fight for their existence. You're doing great Hex. No chaser to that statement. No buts.

Being morally superior and being correct aren't always equivalent.

Hex wrote: Sat Dec 07, 2024 3:48 pm ARE YOU EVEN FUCKING COMPREHENDING WHAT I’M FUCKING TYPING??? DID YOU READ WHERE I DIDNT CARE ABOUT MORALITY *BECAUSE* I CARE MORE ABOUT ACTUAL FELT CONSEQUENCES???

YOU SAY I PROVED YOUR POINT BUT HOW??? YOUR “POINT” WAS “DEATH IS NOT THE ANSWER.” I HAVE MAINTAINED CONSISTENTLY THAT ACTUALLY, I THINK IT IS IN SOME CASES, LIKE THE VERY FUCKING ONE THIS TOPIC IS ABOUT. WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU ON ABOUT???

“I hope you find healing/love”

GEE, THANKS FOR TELLING ME WHAT EVERY FUCKING RELIGIOUS FUNDAMENTALIST SAYS WHEN THEY SEE I’M TRANS.

GO FUCK YOURSELF, YOU PIECE OF SHIT

Don't pay any attention to hbiden.com, he's a fucking troll with constant bad faith arguments. You are 100% right about everything you've said in this thread.

Morality is just a form of self-congratulatory masturbation when we allow the ruling class to live by a different set of rules. Morals are just means by which religious institutions control the masses. What we're talking about is ethics, and I believe it is ethical to cut the cancer out of the body. Now Orthodoxeaster will jump in and say "but that's what the bad guys think too!" But guess what homie, they're wrong. The fact that Christofascist White nationalists think it's ok to kill gay people and minorities, and I think it's ok to kill people who do such things, does not make me in any way equal to them other than in our mutual willingness to take life. But it's the reason, not the action, that matters. Orthodoxeaster's argument is essentially "Hitler was a vegetarian, therefore all vegetarians are Nazis." Come on bro

I'm sure during the French Revolution there were people lamenting the use of violence.