The near-universal celebration over the UHC CEO getting got has me feeling a little better about things lately at least. About the only people I’ve seen bemoan it have been politicians and professional pundits, the same ones who previously spent their time writing articles defending genocides of Palestinians and trans people.

Hex wrote: Fri Oct 25, 2024 2:12 pm Years of this shit and impending doom because we are forced to have this ridiculous system that can afford massive amounts of power over hundreds of millions to one person. So much could be prevented if someone just kills that fucker.

Forgot I posted this before the election. I find it very hard to believe things wouldn’t be better right now had it happened.

zorg wrote:

Frankie99 wrote: Fri Dec 06, 2024 9:07 am You think he's gonna just stand by on some moral code for a country that just tossed him aside like garbage?

Sweet Jesus, I wish you were on my side, this kind of blind worship is exactly what I'm not getting at home. you make him sound like a battered woman. I might mention that it is ironic and funny that you use the word "garbage".

There is a zero sum pardon game that a great many people lost out on. All the people who are incarcerated (even for lesser crimes) and who don't have a "get out of jail free" card.

I 100% disagree with you on this, I think you're guided by a flexible moral code that isn't informed by a cohesive world view.

I have no use for Joe Biden, but I'm able to remove my bias against him to look at this from a perspective I may not personally choose. There is zero worship here, and I'm disappointed that you took that route. It is intellectually lazy.

And yes, you should wish for me to be on your side. Your other assumptions however, are unfounded.

Frankie99 wrote: Fri Dec 06, 2024 11:46 am Your other assumptions however, are unfounded.

So I was reading your comments concerning your lack of empathy for people in places of power in the Gleeful Reaction thread, and I have to admit I am curious where you draw the line, because it's in stark contrast really. As Gramsci mentions

"Your politicians are stooges to the medical insurance industry."

zorg wrote:

Frankie99 wrote: Fri Dec 06, 2024 11:46 am Your other assumptions however, are unfounded.

So I was reading your comments concerning your lack of empathy for people in places of power in the Gleeful Reaction thread, and I have to admit I am curious where you draw the line, because it's in stark contrast really. As Gramsci mentions

"Your politicians are stooges to the medical insurance industry."

Actively participating in the suffering of humans knowingly for profit and nothing more vs. like, not.

And, though I feel these distinctions are evident, also keep in mind at no point did I ever say what either person did was "good." I only said that nothing good would come from Hunters imprisonment. That should be fairly obvious to anyone.

I also made it clear I didn't think Brian what's his name should be murdered, but I of course sympathize with anyone who feels that he participated knowingly in a scheme designed to hurt the most vulnerable of people he was already taking money from. And with people who feel that removing him as an oppressor would be justified. Don't condone it, won't do it myself, but the people doing it have a compelling case to make.

Maybe blood lust is a game for people other than me, but the above all seems like a foundational position for anyone interested in eliminating unnecessary suffering.

Don't think that's very murky.

Frankie99 wrote: Fri Dec 06, 2024 11:46 am I 100% disagree with you on this, I think you're guided by a flexible moral code that isn't informed by a cohesive world view.

there's usually something that will turn a given person into a cop

https://www.thenation.com/article/polit ... ht-mystal/

Clutch your pearls all you want Zorg

PASTA wrote: Fri Dec 06, 2024 6:11 pm https://www.thenation.com/article/polit ... ht-mystal/

Clutch your pearls all you want Zorg

this is a great article because it gets to the heart of the matter. it's not about the guns or the taxes or burisma. it's not about all the democrats who said joe would NEVER sell out his country like trump did. it's all about "my side should win." i can't argue with that! i am just not on the side of a guy who treats girls and strippers like shit. and that's the stuff he admits to! he doesn't give a shit about me.
he doesn't care about my punk friends.
he doesn't care about my queer friends.
he's the frat boy drug dealer i avoided in college. without his name, you'd all cross the street to avoid this guy. he treats normal people like pawns. you are worthless in his eyes. why are sane people defending him here? quit wasting your breath.

losthighway wrote: Tue Nov 26, 2024 5:36 pm So, "The people you're calling nazis are not nazis" is not being a nazi apologist. A nazi apologist would be explaining why some person they acknowledge is actually a nazi really isn't so bad.

Technically you are correct, yes.

losthighway wrote: Tue Nov 26, 2024 5:36 pm overlap with his policy.

He doesn't have policies, not really. Also, thinking that a single person could substantially change the course of US foreign policy, even if they are the president, seems a little naive. If they genuinely wanted to and expressed as much, they would not be let anywhere near the whitehouse. If they said nothing and started trying to do it after gaining the presidency, they would undoubtedly meet with some 'accident' or have an induced cardiac event.

losthighway wrote: Tue Nov 26, 2024 5:36 pm I think what you're also missing above is this: white supremacists can be found in the police force and scattered around the military in every western nation.

I think what you're missing is this: nobody around here is downplaying and minimising ^those guys. Or claiming they don't exist.