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Perfection. What is it? Flipper or Steely Dan?

1 by AttackChimp
I believe Flipper is perfect, but then some asshole who's really into Steely Dan tells me I'm fucked in the head to think it. IMO, Donald Fagan is a really fucked up guy who got coked up and diminished excellent musicians to achieve something he personally believed to be perfect. Drum machines are a thing because this fucking tart (Fagan) needed a snare hit in a place where only a machine can put it. Yeah, Steely Dan and Donald Fagan have a few songs that aren't completely lifeless, but almost everything Flipper did rollicked. Flipper is perfect. Steely Dan isn't.

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4 by eephus
Wood Goblin wrote: Sun Jan 12, 2025 3:43 pm A while ago, I listened to an interview with FM Steve in which (quoting a friend) he remarked something like, “The dollar bins are full of perfectly performed records.”
fact

i'm always a lot happier when i am surprised than i am when i get exactly what i want

that goes for records i buy or shows i attend but double for anything i'm involved in making

i try not to defend steely dan, whom i love, but i just think it's pointless and i don't care about "changing hearts" in that area.

i DO think their studio methodology was not exactly about perfecting anything--it was about using ultracompetent studio musicians and figuring out how to tease surprises out of them. which they often did

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6 by penningtron
A friend of a friend was trying to make a convincing case to me about a lot of Hard Bop stuff I'm not super familiar with. I looked some up, and my first thought was "this sounds like a bandleader who fines members for hitting wrong notes."

I guess I just prefer weirder stuff with mistakes and accidents.
eephus wrote: i DO think their studio methodology was not exactly about perfecting anything--it was about using ultracompetent studio musicians and figuring out how to tease surprises out of them. which they often did
Yeah. My takeaway for the notorious 'Peg' guitar solo sessions is they went with the first guy who didn't give them a typical jazzbo solo.
Music

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7 by LuciousSandwich
penningtron wrote: Sun Jan 12, 2025 6:10 pm A friend of a friend was trying to make a convincing case to me about a lot of Hard Bop stuff I'm not super familiar with. I looked some up, and my first thought was "this sounds like a bandleader who fines members for hitting wrong notes."

I guess I just prefer weirder stuff with mistakes and accidents.
eephus wrote: i DO think their studio methodology was not exactly about perfecting anything--it was about using ultracompetent studio musicians and figuring out how to tease surprises out of them. which they often did
Yeah. My takeaway for the notorious 'Peg' guitar solo sessions is they went with the first guy who didn't give them a typical jazzbo solo.
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