losthighway wrote: Thu Jan 23, 2025 6:49 pm

Hex wrote: Thu Jan 23, 2025 6:29 pm

enframed wrote: Thu Jan 23, 2025 5:34 pm

No.

If at conception one has the large reproductive cell, one is female.

If at conception one has the small reproductive cell, one is male.

By decree.

Even if by decree, there is literally no such thing as “one having the large/small reproductive cell” at conception. At conception there is literally just a single cell. It’s so dumb

This entire effort is odious and wrong. But based on my reading skills and 1000 level Bio education it might actually hold up to do what they're trying to do. The language quoted above states:
“a person belonging, at conception to the sex that produces the large reproductive cell,” while a male is a “person belonging, at conception, to the sex that produces the small reproductive cell.”

That's different than "having" a reproductive cell. I'm sure a biologist can name plenty of situations where it's not that simple, but to my limited understanding that bullshit could hold up instead of being the hilarious fail I want it to be.

Except that the “sex” that produces the cell isn’t something that exists at the time of conception. There is also no such thing as the “sex” that produces the cell—producing large/small reproductive cells (or none at all) is one of many sex characteristics that can vary independent of each other.

I hate to ask, but why this bizarre language? If you want to describe gender as a binary physical trait, why dont they just use XX/XY? How is that less effective than this weird wording? Sure there are chromosomal abnormalities, but those are already pretty well documented as well. What is the spin here?

Because they want to force people into a binary and they have the basic knowledge that going by XX/XY chromosomes has complications both in that not all people have chromosomes of those combinations, and also that people’s chromosomes, genitals, and other sex characteristics don’t necessarily line up, so they have to resort to something more “binary”. However, they still fail basic biology on that—Julia Serano explains this more in depth here: https://juliaserano.substack.com/p/why- ... -activists


At their core, they want to force people to conform to one of two gender roles and any deviation from particular qualities they want to assign each is punished (oppositional sexism) while enforcing a hierarchy of who they place in the category “men” over who they place in the category “women” (traditional sexism). It all comes down to control over people’s bodily autonomy and reproduction, and they can’t have people out there stepping outside their control and showing how flimsy those categories they want to enforce really all

losthighway wrote: Thu Jan 25, 2024 1:16 pm

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losthighway wrote: Thu Jan 25, 2024 11:27 am
One of the most enlightening things I took from that book Doppelgänger by Naomi Klein, I was talking about over on the book thread is this:

The alt-right/MAGA right sweeps up issues neglected by the popular left in America. Steve Bannon is very sharp at this. They take important things establishment Dems ignore and then warp them. Take for example the lack of pushback on Pfizer taking public money to roll out a vaccine, but then treating it like private property. Or look at the severe side effects in a tiny minority of recipients of any vaccine. While the popular left didn't want to dwell on those things because we just needed to get as many people vaccinated as possible, the psychos were able to take those little shadows and turn them into big gremlins. Unchecked problems become the opposition's opportunity.

I think there's a similar dynamic with a lot of right wing populist concerns. There was such a horrible Neo-liberal drag on the democratic party's foreign policy platform that all it takes is some opportunistic asshole to rightfully point their finger and say "look at what they've spent billions of dollars and hundreds of American lives doing" and then it's the Pied Piper saying "You see it, follow me into the MAGA army!".

that's what happens when EVERYTHING is political. steve bannon wants it that way. he's more than happy to see you waste your breath on drag queen story hour, face masks, and women's sports. it'll just lead to another trump presidency.

That's not a shadow into a gremlin, it's common sense to controversy. Watch Sanders on this stuff. He's a pro at calling bullshit when someone's being oppressive without turning his platform into 90% virtue signaling. The bed wetting about trans rights costing an election is pure Bill Maher boomer politics. I fully reject it.

i think trump is about to find out that america is still not ready to discuss a national gender policy.

most people are not oppressors.

Like, at face value, they are trying to force people to confirm to social roles for life based on what kind of cell they “would produce” at conception, which is a counterfactual that’s impossible to determine until after at least one is produced, and one might very well never produce any in their life. They are willing to arrest and subject people to rape and other abuses in prison, force people into pregnancy, and label them sex offenders that carries the death penalty (the last part hasn’t happened yet in any states but language for it has been recently showing up in proposed bills).

They literally want to exterminate people like me. They are shouting it at their rallies, passing genocidal laws, and brutally enforcing them. That is why I support removing them from power by any means necessary—anything less is conceding my life, the lives of my family and community, to some of the most ignorant, manipulative, abusive people to have ever walked the planet. And after us, the next group they target, and the next. If the law isn’t going to stop them, and it’s not, other measures need to be taken if there’s to be hope.

I think this was inevitable from the beginning given the US Constitution, written by and for wealthy white men who wanted to own other human beings in one of the most horrific systems of oppression humans have ever come up with. People fighting for civil rights have recognized its potential to be abused for centuries and pointed out how it is incompatible with real liberation, and for centuries people have refused to accept and adequately deal with it. It should have been scrapped after the Civil War but Reconstruction was completely bungled. It was only a matter of time before bad actors took advantage of the ridiculously undemocratic makeup of the senate, the downright ridiculous way Supreme Court justices are appointed, and the beyond-parody electoral college. Not to mention that even if those institutions were “fixed”, laws based in falsehoods and bigotry can still be enacted and wielded against marginalized populations, further marginalizing them by painting them as “criminals” for fighting in self-defense

The whole scenario reminds me of that time when Texas conservatives tried to ban books containing explicit sexual content, and ended up inadvertently banning The Bible.

They're so headstrong and incapable of nuance, they can't even get out of their own way.

JohnAlbert wrote: Fri Jan 24, 2025 12:20 am The whole scenario reminds me of that time when Texas conservatives tried to ban books containing explicit sexual content, and ended up inadvertently banning The Bible.

They're so headstrong and incapable of nuance, they can't even get out of their own way.

Using a sledgehammer to hit in a nail. Goblins gunna goblin.

The pathogenisation (new word) of people in the trans community is the continuation of the right’s attempt to split reasonable people with issues they can still get away with pushing the panic button on. Before it was gay men as potential risks to children - a disgusting slur considering the facts say the opposite - then solo mothers, civil rights advocates etc etc. as a podcast I listen to say “it’s all the same book”. They can’t get away with pushing the panic button on gay people anymore so they look for another issue. In ten years when society bends, as it will, to acceptance or just not letting goblins get them angry about it, they’ll find something else. The compound tragedy is it not actually about - insert minority here - it about picking a team then lining up issues as right/left and picking at the acceptable scab.

A move to renewables, what consenting adults do, how someone wants to live their life if it doesn’t harm anyone else… it’s all the same bullshit and shouldn’t be a left/right discussion. But the right are determined to create these differences to drive wedges between people.

Anyway. I have a mountain of thoughts on this but am about to get a cocktail of immunotherapy drugs to stop me from being dead…

jfv wrote: Thu Jan 23, 2025 8:39 am

DaveA wrote: Thu Jan 23, 2025 8:34 am Who will be the first guest-pundit on CNN criticizing their former boss and colleagues? And will they become a regular commentator?

My guess would be Elon and/or Vivek. The rich will eat the rich.

Probably won't be regular commentators though.

I’d like to change my answer to RFK Jr. in light of what’s currently going on with the avian flu, plus the dude ran as a democrat recently.

With the full and complete pardons of the cops that killed and tried to cover up the murder of Karon Hylton-Brown the trump administration has signaled to america that they will be hostile to the black community and use law enforcement in that effort. donald trump didn't even know of the case citing that the cops were going after an "illegal." Karon Hylton-Brown was a black american. he is just signing whatever pardons the white supremacists in his cabinet place in front of him.

Whatever incremental progress this country has gained in the past 60 years has been destroyed within the past 3 days.

jfv wrote: Fri Jan 24, 2025 7:20 am

jfv wrote: Thu Jan 23, 2025 8:39 am

DaveA wrote: Thu Jan 23, 2025 8:34 am Who will be the first guest-pundit on CNN criticizing their former boss and colleagues? And will they become a regular commentator?

My guess would be Elon and/or Vivek. The rich will eat the rich.

Probably won't be regular commentators though.

I’d like to change my answer to RFK Jr. in light of what’s currently going on with the avian flu, plus the dude ran as a democrat recently.

Dude ran as a ratfucker, and they all knew it.

This is the Stephen Miller presidency, straight up.