Gramsci wrote: Sat Jan 25, 2025 3:10 am I would put money down that within ten years the US has a Republican trans congressperson that’s an absolute goblin. In the same way there are gay and minority Republicans that are absolute goblins.

We have bigger fish to fry. As we speak, a fully skin-suited lizard person in sitting in the chair of Gorgia's 14th congressional district, and aint nobody doing nothing about it!

Gramsci wrote: Sat Jan 25, 2025 3:10 amBut the big takeaway for the UK at least is the younger you are the more supportive you are and biological women are more supportive than men

Just want to note the term you are looking for here is “cis women”, not “biological” women.

Going to post this again, well, well worth a watch for anyone that wants a basic primer on “biological” sex:

Also, I was diagnosed with “Aspergers” in grade school. That term is no longer in use due to both diagnostic issues, and also the fact that Hans Asperger was a Nazi collaborator who turned over many of his patients to clinics that were responsible for murdering them. I will say in my experience most people I’ve met who, even after knowing the history, still insist on saying they have “aspergers” rather than identifying as autistic and/or neurodivergent have been pretty shitty.

Hex wrote: Sat Jan 25, 2025 2:22 pm most people I’ve met who, even after knowing the history, still insist on saying they have “aspergers” rather than identifying as autistic and/or neurodivergent have been pretty shitty.

in what way?

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/el ... 025-01-25/

“On Saturday, he said "children should not be guilty of the sins of their parents, let alone their great grandparents," apparently referring to Germany's Nazi past.”

"”There is too much focus on past guilt, and we need to move beyond that," he said.”

“Musk spoke in favour of voting for the far right party, saying: "I'm very excited for the AfD, I think you're really the best hope for Germany ... fight for a great future for Germany," he told onlookers.“

Anyone still think he’s not a Nazi?

The masks are definitely off at this point. Everything they* have been working for has fallen right into place.

*the democrats

Hex wrote: Sat Jan 25, 2025 11:54 pm https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/el ... 025-01-25/

“On Saturday, he said "children should not be guilty of the sins of their parents, let alone their great grandparents," apparently referring to Germany's Nazi past.”

"”There is too much focus on past guilt, and we need to move beyond that," he said.”

“Musk spoke in favour of voting for the far right party, saying: "I'm very excited for the AfD, I think you're really the best hope for Germany ... fight for a great future for Germany," he told onlookers.“

Anyone still think he’s not a Nazi?

The problem with Musk’s statement is he’s using a truism to justify an unrelated position.

I spend a reasonable amount of time in Germany and Austria and have a decent grasp of the language. Most Germans and Austrians are not voting for far right parties, but the proportional nature of their political systems mean fringe parties are included in coalition negotiations and like in the past with the Greens, the more visibility can generate more acceptance. Like the Greens, who were far more fringe prior to the late 90s they softened their positions as they increased vote share to further increase that base.

My German friends are most definitely not Nazis and are generally horrified to the point of unbelief at the crimes committed by their grandparents generation.

I have a theory that European far right parties will drop a lot of their unacceptable social policies on woman’s and queer rights etc and focus down hard on immigration, specifically Muslim immigrants. Combining this with “sensible” conservative economic policy. It’s important to remember a vast majority of people think about politics about once a week. Most people here are pretty engaged and I’m sure our friend groups are as well. This generates a sense everyone is. They not. The level of media indoctrination is so constant that if you’re not engaged the world is a very different place for “normies”. So when someone shoves something different in their face, however well intentioned, it can look nuts. Just look at the average media coverage of the hostage releases in Israel / Palestine. The Israelis are returning heroes and victims, one of “us”and the Palestinians are shown as hooting savages.

It seems in most societies we have around 20% of people willing to support far right parties, then a fluctuating split of “normies” that vote depending on how secure they feel economically. With a sliver of support for the solid left. Even then that fractures into doctrinal bickering at the drop of a hat. I don’t really have any answers. But yelling at potential allies for disagreements in the margins isn’t one of them.

Hex wrote: Sat Jan 25, 2025 11:54 pm https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/el ... 025-01-25/

“On Saturday, he said "children should not be guilty of the sins of their parents, let alone their great grandparents," apparently referring to Germany's Nazi past.”

I think it more likely he was referring to himself, given his grandparents were nazis.

I have a theory that European far right parties will drop a lot of their unacceptable social policies on woman’s and queer rights etc and focus down hard on immigration, specifically Muslim immigrants.

I really don’t think you really have any understanding of the far right and how upholding patriarchy, translating the authority of the father in the nuclear family to the level of the state, is pretty much *the* core unifying value for them. Immigration will definitely continue to be a focus for them, but if it’s is your theory that they are going to drop those other positions, I think you are going to be shown to be completely wrong.

I don’t really have any answers. But yelling at potential allies for disagreements in the margins isn’t one of them.

Unfortunately, the “margins” I’m seeing these disagreements in are ones that are literally life and death for me and my loved ones. And fascists *never* just stop at the “margins”.

I think it more likely he was referring to himself, given his grandparents were nazis.

I think it’s most likely that if you believe that, given the context of literally every other part of the speech and his words and actions of the last several years, you are just being willfully ignorant. He is speaking to a far right German party and going on about upholding German values and shit, he might be saying that line in part because of his own deal but is also absolutely referring to Nazi Germany here

Gramsci wrote: Sat Jan 25, 2025 3:10 am
I would put money down that within ten years the US has a Republican trans congressperson that’s an absolute goblin. In the same way there are gay and minority Republicans that are absolute goblins.

Congresswoman Jenner seems fairly plausible - I assume she can get even worse