Krev wrote: Wed Feb 19, 2025 9:35 am Why would the EU be involved? They're not part of the Putin/Trump/Prince Chopper axis of evil.

I know PC sounds like a good dub artist, but he's actually a Saudi asshole.

The EU’s biggest concern is energy security. They want this to end and get back to normal-ish relations with Russia. Germany especially has been particularly rocked by the war politically. The rise of the AfD isn’t just about the problems caused by accepting nearly a million Syrian refugees, it’s amplified by inflation caused by the war. I know Germans and Germany well enough to know their collective fear of inflation. It’s a national obsession. To the point it has stymied investment in publics services, creating a viscous cycle that really ramped up over the past three years.

Anyhoo. This should be about Ukraine, they’re the ones getting played by everyone, with people dying.

It's Zelenky's fault, all of it.


As for Europe involvement - the military presence in Ukraine to secure borders post-war was Trump's administration idea, but Moscow rejected it. Why would Europe agree to something like that without being asked about it? Yeah.
As to why Europe should be involved in general - outside of energy, for the same reasons it already is involved - helping Ukraine is a relatively convenient way of not allowing Russia (and currently supported-by-Trump-Russia) in gaining military strength significant enough to attack other countries in the region.

So much of Germany thinks electing a hypocritical, anti-LGBT Swiss lesbian who had modeled herself after Trump and Skrewdriver is the answer to their inflation woe? I thought education was better there.

It most definitely is not.
Lots of things here are not what you would expect.

Gramsci wrote: Wed Feb 19, 2025 10:52 amThe rise of the AfD isn’t just about the problems caused by accepting nearly a million Syrian refugees

By and large, these "problems" you reference do not exist. What exists is a xenophobic, irrational response to migration/immigration, and it was there all ready to go, even killing people regularly, long before 2015/16.

Gramsci wrote: Wed Feb 19, 2025 10:52 am The EU’s biggest concern is energy security. They want this to end and get back to normal-ish relations with Russia.

Interesting take...I don't hear that concern being raised except by the usual unpopular parties (Czechs, Hungarians, German's right wing etc...). To the point where EU instead keep talking about rearming for WWIII (with American weapons, no doubt). In fact the news is all about the Baltics cutting all electrical supply with Russia a week ago.

emmanuelle cunt wrote: Wed Feb 19, 2025 3:21 am I definitely wish Russia wasn't so damn close.

This is more what I hear from everybody. And I get it that Ukraine got the shaft here, and they have an absolute right to complain....but why is there this absolute hysteria about a Russian invasion in Europe? I'm old enough to remember the first cold war, and the rhetoric is the same. But based on what exactly? They'd been loudly dicking around about Ukraine since the 80's. I don't know of other such simmering disputes with powers in mainland Europe, other than the ongoing tit-for-tat campaigns to install puppet governments in the usual vassal states, but that is business as usual. I just don't get why a Sweden should be afraid of Russia...besides EU being (now regrettable) friends with the US. That's not to say you should agree with or like the Russians....but doesn't the level of fear seem misplaced and possibly misleading?

For anybody interested I felt this is a fairly even handed summary of what got us here, published before the whole Trump charm offensive.

https://www.aljazeera.com/opinions/2025 ... the-making

jimmy spako wrote: Wed Feb 19, 2025 11:24 am

Gramsci wrote: Wed Feb 19, 2025 10:52 amThe rise of the AfD isn’t just about the problems caused by accepting nearly a million Syrian refugees

By and large, these "problems" you reference do not exist. What exists is a xenophobic, irrational response to migration/immigration, and it was there all ready to go, even killing people regularly, long before 2015/16.

I agree. I’m was referring to perceived problems.

But just browbeating people with concerns about immigration, right or wrong won’t fix the situation. When people are secure in their lives they give less thought to “the other”. The solution to xenophobia at a broad view is better public realm.

Basically I’m saying more economic socialism equals less racism. Or at least people’s prejudices are less easy to manipulate for political gain. The striking thing about parties like Reform and the AfD is their backers. It’s always rightwing business people whose main goal is rightwing economics. Farage and Alice Weidel are useful idiots or in on the game. Weidel’s “idol” is Thatcher ffs.

New EO says only the president and the AG can determine the laws.

It's only funny if you consider that the SCOTUS has just become irrelevant by EO. What can the judiciary do? Will the US Marshalls ignore Trump and Bondi's orders? The law is not being carried out faithfully by the POTUS, and no one is holding him accountable. He just keeps walking forward and ignoring the law... until he's the final arbiter. How are we not already in a constitutional crisis? What more needs to take place?

emmanuelle cunt wrote: Wed Feb 19, 2025 11:12 am

It's Zelenky's fault, all of it.

What's sad is there's a non-trivial number of leftists who would agree with this, some of them in this thread.

Fuck "TRUMP" and his Kremlin propaganda.