numberthirty wrote: Tue Apr 08, 2025 1:47 am

Krev wrote: Mon Apr 07, 2025 12:42 pm Korn is better than Deftones, and deserve the nu-metal mantle. It also wasn't easy for me to give props to Korn.

There is no place in the entire multiverse where Korn are even better than Limp Bizkit.

Never mind Deftones.

You're entitled to your opinion, but, begrudgingly, it's Korn. I'll have to get back to you on whether Deftones or Limp Bizkit is better. Don't hold your breath on that one.

ChudFusk wrote: If _X_ is to nü metal as Fugazi is to Hardcore, then X = ? Would it be post-nü? Or a more emo version of nü-metal, should we call it Enü?

Ennüi.

zorg wrote: Mon Apr 07, 2025 2:43 pm I think we need a nu-metal thunderdome.

I got as far as googling a list of nu-metal bands, but couldn't bring myself to take it any further. Sorry. I guess I should feel lucky that I'm old enough that I can't call this genre part of my youthful indiscretions... At the same time, it really was a hard transition from the relative promise of the 90's. Even then....so this isn't just old man talk, hearing the likes of Incubus was soul-crushing and repellant even when you're like 20.

The original Incubus was a death/thrash juggernaut. It's a shame that bullshit band got the rights to the name.

numberthirty wrote: Tue Apr 08, 2025 1:52 am Never mind that Zach could never touch this on his best day...



(Even if it might not have happened without Inside Out...)

Holy cow this sucks!

I will stand by Korn as the titans of nu-metal. I listened to the Deftones "Shut Up and Drive" (sounds like idiot's first smashing pumpkins riff, bullshit vocals) and then compared it to a lesser known Korn song, "Ball Tongue." "Ball Tongue" is way fucking funnier and stupid and thoroughly unselfconscious. That dumbass bass tone clack, the meth addled vocals, the guitars doing DJ noises. I wouldn't quite call it fun. But I feel affectionate for it, and they were very important for 6th grade Heath. I bought Sepultura records because of an interview with Fieldy! That's something dude! I don't even like My Bloody Valentine! Shit!

One positive thing about succumbing to dementia would be no longer having the slightest clue what nu metal is.

One other thing...

(Serious as I can be about this sort of thing...)

Korn is about as "Basic..."/"First Day/Kindergarten..." as it gets.

At least get out into the weeds until they are about knee deep.



While those lyrics ain't gonna win you a Pulitzer?

At least it sounds like a halfway decent band playing together.

Unlike Korn.

Heath wrote: Tue Apr 08, 2025 6:55 pm

numberthirty wrote: Tue Apr 08, 2025 1:52 am Never mind that Zach could never touch this on his best day...



(Even if it might not have happened without Inside Out...)

Holy cow this sucks!

I will stand by Korn as the titans of nu-metal. I listened to the Deftones "Shut Up and Drive" (sounds like idiot's first smashing pumpkins riff, bullshit vocals) and then compared it to a lesser known Korn song, "Ball Tongue." "Ball Tongue" is way fucking funnier and stupid and thoroughly unselfconscious. That dumbass bass tone clack, the meth addled vocals, the guitars doing DJ noises. I wouldn't quite call it fun. But I feel affectionate for it, and they were very important for 6th grade Heath. I bought Sepultura records because of an interview with Fieldy! That's something dude! I don't even like My Bloody Valentine! Shit!

You're talking about "Bullshit..." vocals while saying Korn are titans.

We are actually in "This Might Call For An Intervention..." territory here.

You guys are making me feel bad for kind of liking this band.

Kinda.

No one is saying that Korn are titans of rock; this is strictly in the nu-metal context. I'd put Deftones over Puddle of Mudd and Godsmack, but below Slipknot.