Maurice wrote: Thu Apr 10, 2025 10:29 am

Wood Goblin wrote: Thu Apr 10, 2025 9:57 am After Television called it quits, Billy Ficca joined The Waitresses. So “Marquee Moon” and “Christmas Wrapping” feature the same drummer.

Billy was also drummer for the Washington Squares! There have to be some other bands he was in then as well.

Respected Chicago free jazz sax player Mars Williams (RIP, Fuck Cancer) also played on that Waitresses song. Who else can do Albert Ayler tributes and get played at the mall every year..

The original bass player of Japanese psych/noise legends Les Rallizes Dénudés hijacked a fuckin' plane:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japan_Air ... Flight_351

andyman wrote: Thu Apr 10, 2025 10:55 am Some of you already know this one, but after the British band The Zombies broke up, pre-ZZ Top Dusty and Frank toured America as part of an imposter group claiming to be The Zombies and playing their music.

What's more, apparently there was a another fake group touring as The Zombies at the same time... and both were managed by the same company.

As you surely already know, there was a fake Fleetwood Mac who toured for a couple weeks in the early 1970s. Kiss apparently opened for them.

A bogus Deep Purple included members of an earlier bogus version of Steppenwolf.

andyman wrote: Thu Apr 10, 2025 10:55 am Some of you already know this one, but after the British band The Zombies broke up, pre-ZZ Top Dusty and Frank toured America as part of an imposter group claiming to be The Zombies and playing their music.

What's more, apparently there was a another fake group touring as The Zombies at the same time... and both were managed by the same company.

I wonder if this inspired the Man or Astroman? clones.

Didn't Drunks With Guns also have a schism and formed two different bands that toured and released music under that name?

A lot of old metal bands have active schisms, including Priest and Saxon.

I remember reading about an NWOBHM band called Witchfynde, whose singer left to create a competing group called Wytchfynde.

andyman wrote: Didn't Drunks With Guns also have a schism and formed two different bands that toured and released music under that name?

Yes. But it gets deeper: As a fuck-you to the original singer, the guitarist and bassist hired a 12- or 13-year-old girl as their vocalist. Which was good for maybe half a laugh. Not long after, rather than continuing to call his version DWG, the original singer changed the name of his version of the group to Bullets for Pussy.

Wood Goblin wrote:

andyman wrote: Thu Apr 10, 2025 10:55 am Some of you already know this one, but after the British band The Zombies broke up, pre-ZZ Top Dusty and Frank toured America as part of an imposter group claiming to be The Zombies and playing their music.

What's more, apparently there was a another fake group touring as The Zombies at the same time... and both were managed by the same company.

As you surely already know, there was a fake Fleetwood Mac who toured for a couple weeks in the early 1970s. Kiss apparently opened for them.

A bogus Deep Purple included members of an earlier bogus version of Steppenwolf.

When Gipsy Kings broke big in US and got super trendy among a certain cohort, I remember New York Magazine reported an imposter band getting paid $$$ to play private parties in the Hamptons. I love that. "We had the Gipsy Kings at our party last Saturday..."

andyman wrote: Thu Apr 10, 2025 10:55 am Some of you already know this one, but after the British band The Zombies broke up, pre-ZZ Top Dusty and Frank toured America as part of an imposter group claiming to be The Zombies and playing their music.

What's more, apparently there was a another fake group touring as The Zombies at the same time... and both were managed by the same company.

The Buzzfeed News article is a great read.

During COVID I had read This Monster Lives, which is effectively a companion piece to Some Kind of Monster written by the directors. There were so many good bits of lore in here that I had written them down in my Notes app:

* James was already in rehab by the time the Swizz Beats/Ja Rule collaboration happened, so the Metallica portions of the song were taken from work done before James’ departure. Bruce Sinofsky apparently filmed the Ja Rule/Swizz Beats session from New York while they were long-distance computer hooked-up with Joe Berlinger and Kirk and Lars in Los Angeles. Ja Rule was originally going to ad-lib some lines from James’ scratch vocals, but apparently thought twice about doing so to lyrics like “Nevermore the whipping boy”.

* Metallica’s one live performance during this period was at a guerrilla pre-game tailgate before Raiders/Titans AFC Championship game (which James’ beloved Raiders would dominate and send them to the Super Bowl). Bob Rock was on stage with the band, playing bass (it would be his only live appearance with the band). It was this incident (along with a planned meeting with Jason Newsted that was canceled last-minute for a press conference announcing their upcoming tour) that put the nail in the coffin of the band’s relationship with Jason.

* The music that Lars’ dad Torben suggested they “delete” was apparently from a session that was recorded after the band and Bob Rock had seen Sigur Ros live and were inspired to try their hand at sweepy, droney post-rock. Of course, as Torben Ulrich aptly described it, it amounted to sounding like “a guy screaming in an echo chamber.”

* The therapy session between Lars Ulrich and Dave Mustaine only happened because Mustaine was stranded in San Francisco immediately after 9/11. Afterwards Lars volunteered to drive Dave back to his hotel and two Metallica songs played over the radio before they decided to just switch it off.

* Berlinger/Sinofsky were originally slated to produce a simpler behind-the-scenes infomercial for their upcoming album. Even when it became clear that they had a feature film on their hands, the various powers that be (Elektra Records, mostly) were trying to capitalize on the success of The Osbournes and turn the footage into a reality show that was shopped to Showtime and VH1, among others. The idea only ceased to be when the band decided to buy Elektra’s stake of the project out from them, to the tune of $4 million.

* Many in the metal community were protective of Rob Trujillo when the word spread regarding his joining Metallica. People were worried that the band might visit the same kind of hazing on him that they had onto Jason Newsted, and make the newcomer “eat the wasabi.” Ozzy Osbourne, whom Rob played with prior to Metallica, said “I’ll kill ‘em if they mess with you! I’ll kill ‘em!”