Perhaps u r misremembering?llllllllllllllllllll wrote: Mon May 12, 2025 5:00 pm [ed] didn’t call everyone retarded for his band being held to account for a fucking genocide
although he did call Roger waters a prick but that’s common knowledge.8 years ago thom wrote: It’s deeply disrespectful to assume that we’re either being misinformed or that *we’re* so retarded we can’t make these decisions ourselves
The elephant in the room here is U2...something like Zooropa was well ahead of the curve in terms of what Radiohead was going for with their dystopian electronics with a conscience era. Still, I think Radiohead carved out a bit of a specific niche bending IDM to fit pop/rock songs. Bjork was already mentioned, and also certainly looms large. I was never a big fan, but I saw Radiohead once in 2001 (so arguably at their best), and they put on a good show, and even the obtuse electronic stuff sounded exciting live.llllllllllllllllllll wrote: Tue May 13, 2025 11:04 pmBands like New Order had been doing that since the 80s - earlier too, but the 60s/70s notion of electronic music doesn’t quite translate. It means a lot culturally when records like Kid A do well, but its not from nothing. If anything they were late to the party.losthighway wrote: Mon May 12, 2025 5:12 pm - The electronic meets organic thing was way less explored within pop/rock at this time. Pretty much Bjork was the only other person seriously placing a foot in each bucket (forget the lightweight singer songwriter with a drum loop boom). I'm sure there are less famous contemporaries because there's almost never a first anything in music.
Just looking at the years leading up to Kid A, that sort of crossover had been done to mainstream and cultural success.
REM
Beck
Primal Scream
Tortoise
Boards of Canada
Sigur Ros
Portishead
Smashing Pumpkins
Nine Inch Nails
Daft Punk
Air
Chemical Brothers
Plus the other specifically english electronic stuff that got more left field, if anything Radiohead came in late behind all that. I thought it was well known that Thom Yorke was depressed and got into Warp records for writers block or whatever. I wouldn’t call anything Radiohead ever did revolutionary.
The caveat to that elephant is that U2 - with the dozens of semi-trucks and >$100 price tag for tickets for the Zooropa tour - took pains to make sure that everyone knew that all of it was done ironically. I don't think that irony has ever been at or even near to the forefront of what Radiohead does.zorg wrote: Wed May 14, 2025 8:31 am The elephant in the room here is U2...something like Zooropa was well ahead of the curve in terms of what Radiohead was going for with their dystopian electronics with a conscience era.
Yeah...I mean U2's irony only goes so far. I would give Bono full respect if rubbing shoulders with the Dali Lama, Mandela, popes, etc. was just part of his Fly persona and a giant Ali G-esque put-on, but I think he takes it pretty seriously. I'll let him slide being on the right side concerning Gaza tho, even while getting some gong for being a giant chooch being pinned on him by Joe Biden in the midst of it.iembalm wrote: Wed May 14, 2025 10:38 amThe caveat to that elephant is that U2 - with the dozens of semi-trucks and >$100 price tag for tickets for the Zooropa tour - took pains to make sure that everyone knew that all of it was done ironically. I don't think that irony has ever been at or even near to the forefront of what Radiohead does.zorg wrote: Wed May 14, 2025 8:31 am The elephant in the room here is U2...something like Zooropa was well ahead of the curve in terms of what Radiohead was going for with their dystopian electronics with a conscience era.
Your timeline is off a little bit with Sigur Ros, and I get overall what you're saying but Boards of Canada and Tortoise didn't spend 1993 playing at the MTV Beach House and Arsenio Hall as an alt-rock one-hit wonder and then seven years later they're playing weird synths and having skronky horns back them on SNL. As much as I'd like to not give Radiohead too much credit, unless you were already super into late-90s IDM and deep into Krautrock, which I certainly wasn't as an 18 year-old in 2000, putting out a record incorporating some of the glitchier/noisier elements of both and having a #1 album seemed pretty huge at the time.llllllllllllllllllll wrote: Tue May 13, 2025 11:04 pm
Bands like New Order had been doing that since the 80s - earlier too, but the 60s/70s notion of electronic music doesn’t quite translate. It means a lot culturally when records like Kid A do well, but its not from nothing. If anything they were late to the party.
Just looking at the years leading up to Kid A, that sort of crossover had been done to mainstream and cultural success.
REM
Beck
Primal Scream
Tortoise
Boards of Canada
Sigur Ros
Portishead
Smashing Pumpkins
Nine Inch Nails
Daft Punk
Air
Chemical Brothers
There were only 4 years between the Never Mind The Bollocks flash in the pan and Flowers of Romance and I think some weird synths and talkshow appearances might have been involved. Plus how many OG punk bands eventually picked up synths anyways? And let’s not forget Eno. Tricky. Aphex Twin.tallchris wrote: Wed May 14, 2025 1:07 pmBoards of Canada and Tortoise didn't spend 1993 playing at the MTV Beach House and Arsenio Hall as an alt-rock one-hit wonder and then seven years later they're playing weird synths and having skronky horns back them
I will give them credit for sounding relatively fresh at the time, but they weren't 18...the band were pushing well into their 30s by that point. I was younger than that, and certainly already owning Amon Duul, Kraftwerk, Neu and Can records....I remember the Bowie and Eno records and Julian Cope's book being the gateway into that scene....and IDM was current and...well, everywhere. So they weren't really digging deep lets say, but they were good at hooks and finding their own sound distinct from their influences...again, I think it was U2 that really got there first with the glitchy minimalist pop electronic rock stuff. But there was definitely room to play in that arena.tallchris wrote: Wed May 14, 2025 1:07 pm As much as I'd like to not give Radiohead too much credit, unless you were already super into late-90s IDM and deep into Krautrock, which I certainly wasn't as an 18 year-old in 2000, putting out a record incorporating some of the glitchier/noisier elements of both and having a #1 album seemed pretty huge at the time.
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