eephus wrote: Mon May 26, 2025 11:17 pm Being a person is not always easy, but if you are going to be a person, being a man is the easiest way to do it.

It will always mystify me that anyone thinks there are particular man-standards to uphold that require a lot of reflection. Don’t hit women, try not to hurt anyone else, mind over dick, walk on the street side of the sidewalk. And tell people you love them, if you do. That’s about it.

you’re welcome to join my small group. We have no code of behavior. We will just share our feelings, what the kids are doing, and talk about yesterdays ball game.

https://betterman.com/


It’s better, man…better plan too.

Hearing the term "men's group" immediately takes me back to the church days and I do not want to be there. Even if it's not about Tate Bros or "respect the cock and tame the cunt" bullshit, it'll always be about being a provider/leader/warrior, all that trad business. One of the cool things about feminism, the cool radical feminism and not the lame-o corporate white Girlboss feminism, is the acknowledgement that while patriarchy is obviously bad for women and children, it's bad for men as well. Not feeling like I have to be some sort of leader or Protector is pretty freeing.

If I'm around a group of all men, unless it's a select group of several of the members/former members on this forum, I get pretty uncomfortable. There's that saying, something like "nothing is cool if only men like it" and I get that same vibe from men's groups. I understand if it's a grief group, though.

Years ago, Slate published an essay by a woman who grew up in a very conservative “trad” community—“trad” to the point of being reactionary. It was not a particularly small community. The women were caregivers, and the men protected.

Every single time—literally, every one—that domestic abuse got so bad that a marriage ended, the woman moved away. The man never experienced the slightest reduction in his social standing. It turned out that, in the modern world, the men abjectly failed at the one role they’d been expected to uphold.

So crap for that.

And crap for mens groups too. They aren’t the venue for companionship and support for men’s health issues; those are found elsewhere. If you think too much about how you measure up to so-called “standards” of masculinity (or femininity, or any-inity or -ness), you will never be satisfied.

Wood Goblin wrote: Tue May 27, 2025 12:36 pm And crap for mens groups too. They aren’t the venue for companionship and support for men’s health issues; those are found elsewhere.

I will say that PRF is better for that. It's not exclusively men, and the men that are here are ones that I would generally like to emulate.

scrotescape 4 real wrote: Tue May 27, 2025 7:42 am https://betterman.com/


It’s better, man…better plan too.

I feel like I need to switch on a vpn before clicking on that link.

Incel bullshit. CRAP.

Gramsci wrote: Tue May 27, 2025 3:21 pm

scrotescape 4 real wrote: Tue May 27, 2025 7:42 am https://betterman.com/


It’s better, man…better plan too.

I feel like I need to switch on a vpn before clicking on that link.

I'll take the hit for you:

that site wrote:Two generations ago, men were confident in their manhood. One generation ago, men began to compromise their manhood. Today, men are confused about their manhood. BetterMan is a clarion call, calling men back to God's good and timeless design for men.

Emphasis mine. The cry of every new generation of reactionaries.
Crap

You, too, incel, can have the success of Andrew Tate and his brothers Tristan and Tiberius.

Tree wrote: Tue May 27, 2025 8:34 am Not feeling like I have to be some sort of leader or Protector is pretty freeing.

I imagine it would be.
Why did you change your mind?