I think the problem now is that for the pro Israeli government factions they have turned criticism of the current government’s brutality into “antisemitism”. This grossly devalues actual antisemitism which does exist in society regardless of political affiliation.

Honestly I’m sick of the extreme end of both sides screaming abuse at each other.

Personally I’m deeply nihilistic about the future of both the Palestinians and the State of Israel. The idea of a Two State Solution is dead. I honestly think Israel is going to grind Gazans into dust and claim the whole territory. The West Bank will be next.

The surrounding Arab states will do nothing, and as now refuse refugees due to the historical problems the camps have caused.

Just to be clear I think is will be one if the 21st century’s great tragedies. No amount of protest in the global north will change this.

This is super interesting.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/video ... de-1-video

Another great 21st century travesty will be Netanyahu and his coalition of enablers never spending a day in jail. One of history's most prolific war criminals.

zorg wrote: Tue Jun 03, 2025 3:27 pm

Krev wrote: Tue Jun 03, 2025 2:44 pm

jeff fox wrote: Tue Jun 03, 2025 2:17 pm How the fuck is that an "Oof"?? Acknowledging that antisemitism is real?

I was wondering that myself. The Trump administration is equating Anti-Zionism with Anti-Semitism for grotesque political purposes.

I think you answered your own question. At best AOC's post is pandering milquetoast fluff, at worst it's a concession to AIPAC talking points at a particularly awkward impasse.

"Don't set old Jews on fire" is AIPAC talking points.

Seriously is this a long-running bit or are you every bit the donut you've been acting on here for years?

Goddamn it. I hate when the left is as stupid as the right wing. A fucking psycho burned innocent people. That is fucked. If someone thinks taking a minute to talk about how fucked up that is is somehow ceding ground to Netenyahu's genocidal regime, they're locked in a pointless binary devoid of nuance or ethics.

It's bad enough these ghouls try to make that the face of the Free Palestine movement, we don't need to assist in that.

losthighway wrote: Tue Jun 03, 2025 5:06 pm Goddamn it. I hate when the left is as stupid as the right wing. A fucking psycho burned innocent people. That is fucked. If someone thinks taking a minute to talk about how fucked up that is is somehow ceding ground to Netenyahu's genocidal regime, they're locked in a pointless binary devoid of nuance or ethics.

It's bad enough these ghouls try to make that the face of the Free Palestine movement, we don't need to assist in that.

This.

AOC didn’t “oof” shit.

It's similar to far-lefties who claim that Ukraine was the aggressor. Netanyahu is a corrupt, self-serving asshole who doesn't represent all Jews.

I had a good friend jump on my shit just for posting a story from earlier this year where a Zionist Israeli in America shot two other Israeli Jews because he thought that they were Palestinian. All I said was that if both Jews and Palestinians had their memories erased, there would be no more conflict because they are essentially the same human beings. I was accused of doing bothsidesism by saying we are all human, based on the flawed logic that acknowledging the humanity of Jews at this time is playing into AIPAC talking points etc etc. That completely erases the humanity of the many, very real antizionist Jews that exist here and in Israel. I was accused of equating the two cultures, despite the fact that the dominator/victim relationship between them would be among the very things my hypothetical amnesia bomb would erase.

losthighway wrote: Tue Jun 03, 2025 5:06 pm A fucking psycho burned innocent people.

I don’t equate, a “psycho” who has obviously lost the plot, with a coordinated and fully legitimized global effort by elected officials and their constituents to finally eradicate an already stateless people with the most sophisticated weaponry ever produced. If you do, you’d be mistaken.

joe_lmr wrote: Tue Jun 03, 2025 4:30 pm Seriously is this a long-running bit or are you every bit the donut you've been acting on here for years?

Would it help if I blamed the Israelis least of all? Well other than the Palestinians of course. But otherwise this is yet again driven by the same ruthless proxied cabal of foreign powers representing investors, weapons manufacturers, political and religious interests and proponents of manifest destiny and regional dominion, and their slobbering lapdogs. How wonderful to get this done without having their hands dirtied. Oh and Radiohead, lets not forget about Radiohead.

Somebody posting something on the internet you don’t like isn’t “the left.”