Some of you are the smartest dumbest motherfuckers on this planet. And you have a rationalization for everything.

77 mil people voted for this dude. By the latest polling, his floor is 35%, that's your cultist MAGA or whatever you wanna call it. That is 77 mil times 35% = 27 mil.

So, 50 mil we're just the easily swing'd "independents" that we just up for grabs!? Just the independents!?

C'mon man. These problems run deeper than you're all willing to admit.

enframed wrote: Mon Mar 02, 2026 7:12 pm This Fetterman cat seems easily baffled.

Also, who would have thought that betting in "prediction markets" (LOL, is there anything more "American" than this name?) on Iran and Khomeni would turn ugly.

https://www.wired.com/story/iranian-aya ... customers/

Fuckinhell.

Every book/movie is a prediction waiting to happen. Hunger games much!?

Lu Zwei wrote: Tue Mar 03, 2026 4:41 am Some of you are the smartest dumbest motherfuckers on this planet. And you have a rationalization for everything.

77 mil people voted for this dude. By the latest polling, his floor is 35%, that's your cultist MAGA or whatever you wanna call it. That is 77 mil times 35% = 27 mil.

So, 50 mil we're just the easily swing'd "independents" that we just up for grabs!? Just the independents!?

That's some messy maths. The 35% approval is not 35% of the people who voted for him. It's 35% of the people polled which includes people who voted against him, and more importantly eligible voters who didn't vote at all.

I'm too lazy to look it up but it's roughly a third voted for him, a third voted against him, and a third didn't participate. The action is always is in how those rough thirds shrink and grow a little bit to be not exactly a third. Also, the non participation group is usually much bigger in mid terms.

But I don't think the math is really your point here. Do I understand you correctly that what you really mean is there are millions of Americans complicit in a move towards fascism? If that's what you mean, I agree it's disturbing.

losthighway wrote: Tue Mar 03, 2026 7:00 am

Lu Zwei wrote: Tue Mar 03, 2026 4:41 am Some of you are the smartest dumbest motherfuckers on this planet. And you have a rationalization for everything.

77 mil people voted for this dude. By the latest polling, his floor is 35%, that's your cultist MAGA or whatever you wanna call it. That is 77 mil times 35% = 27 mil.

So, 50 mil we're just the easily swing'd "independents" that we just up for grabs!? Just the independents!?

That's some messy maths. The 35% approval is not 35% of the people who voted for him. It's 35% of the people polled which includes people who voted against him, and more importantly eligible voters who didn't vote at all.

Yeah, my man. I was making an easy correlation so everyone can follow. But I'm pretty sure that the percentages can somehow overlap without going too much into specific breakdowns.

losthighway wrote: Tue Mar 03, 2026 7:00 am But I don't think the math is really your point here. Do I understand you correctly that what you really mean is there are millions of Americans complicit in a move towards fascism? If that's what you mean, I agree it's disturbing.

That is exactly my point! Anyone framing it as an independent this green party that is just making a future excuse kicking it down the road.

Well it’s certainly easier to make up a guy to get mad than to acknowledge that assholes grow on trees and what passes for the opposition party in this country is just a psychotic dance that repeats every 4-8 years with only the right wing making ever increasing gains in every consequential way. This country is so deeply fucked that the obsession with presidential elections is a sideshow - I don’t even see how anyone with half a brain can consider it a democracy at this point. And yes, the genocidal foreign policy decisions go hand in hand with the internal stuff.

I dunno. It's pretty hard to argue that the last 1.25 years haven't been extrashitty compared to the Biden years.

Biden pretty much sucked in so many ways, but at the same time, you can point to things like the most meaningful, highly enforced antimonopoly legislation of the past 40 years having been enacted under his "watch" (source: the much-beloved-on-the-forum Doctorow book Enshittification).

Whereas under Trump? Everything has basically been a nonstop shitshow. And it was blindingly, pitifully, painfully easy to see all this coming. (Same answer re: Republicans who whine that they didn't vote for these policies. Of course you did, dumbass.)

Not voting or a protest vote in hopes of party reform or b/c mainstream Democrats are lousy on an issue that's dear to you (or milquetoast on most issues in general) seems deluded, entitled, or just lazy at this point in time. Even if you live in a state in which it doesn't much matter statistically. Smarter to work w/ and/or further push where you actually have leeway. (Say what you will, but the right sure knows how to be less fractured.) B/c while those who did nothing merely seethe, way too much real-world damage gets done in the meantime, which sets their agenda back that much further. But hey, it's always easier to just complain or put one's faith in some utopia that never comes.

I think shouting at voters in any country is generally a bad idea. Especially with a first past the post voting system.

It’s completely shit in the UK, but in the US is “bigger and louder”. It completely skews the political process and channels people into ridiculous “lanes” with zero nuance at one end and blandness the other.

It’s completely insane that a minority of the population can execute a winner takes all government with zero need for coalitions or collaboration. This happened in the UK last election and that’s now broken.

The leftist notion of lesser evilism being a reason to abstain from voting toward harm reduction in the system you're forced to operate in is toddleresque in its simplicity. Sure, it makes sense when you frame it "just so" but any broadening of the picture reveals the fallacies.

Now, if you're participating daily in direct action, then I withhold my criticism. But it's my experience that's not usually the case. Those who do the least talk the most.

One thing is for sure: "I didn't vote for this!" whiny-bitch Republicans can eat a diseased penis. "Real patriots" used to commit ritual suicide for these mistakes.

Anyone catch that we're officially on a religious crusade in the Middle East?

Anyway, there's no plan. The reasoning changes, depending on the hour and the objectives haven't been stated. We don't want regime change, but the regime needs to change. We don't want to do nation building, but we're destroying infrastructure. We don't want to be stuck in quagmire, but we created one. Like, what are we going to expect to happen in Iran if we bomb their schools, hospitals and police stations? They want Iran to turn into a failed state.

I listened to that interview with the Iranian professor from Tehran who put it pretty bluntly: "the latest generation couldn't understand why their parents and grandparents hated America so much. Now they get it."

The most disgusting thing is, the Democratic party and our European allies, and it looks like Canada, are all fine joining in on a war with Iran.