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My friend Adam from back home in NZ lived there with his Phily ladyfriend for a while this year.

If anyone saw a big guy that looked like Hank Rollins with horn-rim glasses and red hair busking Bruce Springsteen songs... that was him.

Anyhoo, he said it was great, I trust him.

George? Colin? Either way, hi.

george. hi ian!

um... tattooed mom's is crap.

philly isn't that cheap. at least, not like it used to be, and it's going to probably get more expensive with the recent articles in national geographic and new york times.

its music scene is iffy for such a large city, but there are a few good bands (fuck with the bull, get the horns... chromolodeon... pattern is movement... espers... stinking lizaveta, etc.). unfortunately two of them moved to brooklyn (dysrhythmia and krakatoa). from my meager experience of the visual art scene i'd say it's lacking, though anyone who passes through should try to see the tiberino house/museum, an amazingly massive magnum opus of art projecting out of every wall and ceiling. i don't even like the style or content so much as the immensity of it -- truly a life's work.

there are a lot of boston/philly comparisons:

both college towns
both sports towns
both colonial towns
both have a big blue-collar white population
philly has a larger black population
boston gets colder
philly has a large gay population
boston, i don't know
boston has a higher percentage of rich people
boston is cleaner


i hate the cold and that alone would probably stop me from living in say, boston, chicago, etc.

trilonaut wrote:i hate the cold and that alone would probably stop me from living in say, boston, chicago, etc.

Philly
Chicago

I don't know if I can even tell the difference between the worst low temps (your 24 in January vs our 18 ). Or is it some other aspect of the cold?

How about those roads in Philly!

Get dog costumes wrote:It has the amenities of more heralded East Coast cities like Boston and New York, and more colleges than either.

More colleges than either? I'd like to see some evidence for that. I'm not saying you're wrong, but I am curious about the claim due to the fact that NY and Boston are loaded with colleges.

I was born and raised in central NJ, so I spent a fair share of time in both NYC and Philly.

My take on Philly: it has enough cultural opportunities for me (e.g., a few museums, some good colleges, and lots of rock shows), and seems quite a bit cleaner, friendlier, and more open than NYC. ... that is, if you avoid certain neighborhoods, which I am wise enough to do. NYC has more cultural opportunities, this much is uncontestable, but I don't necessarily give a crap about most of it.

The major knock on Philadelphia is that it's so close to south Jersey (i.e., NJ south of I-195) and, specifically, Camden. Bleh. Oh, and they talk funny.

The cheesesteaks are not so special. Take Steak-Umms, cut 'em up into many pieces, fry with peppers and onions, add ingredients to a good quality roll, and top with liquid cheese. It ain't fuckin' rocket science, Philadelphians! ;P

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i always heard chicago was cold, and the one time i was there was in the winter and it was damn cold and it happened to be unusually warm when we left from philly that winter.

philly gets very cold -- i hate that and i sometimes contemplate moving somewhere warmer -- not too warm because hot places seem to breed strip clubs, plastic surgery, shallowness and other stupidity (la and miami) but kind of warm (bay area). if chicago really is the windy city, then that's a form of cold you can't measure on a thermometer.

There's a lot of great food, music and art around here.

This town is fun if you're not trying too hard.

trilonaut wrote:
um... tattooed mom's is crap.

Every other beer is free.

Pool is free.

Jesus man, what do you want from a bar?

vockins wrote:

trilonaut wrote:
um... tattooed mom's is crap.

Every other beer is free.

Pool is free.

Jesus man, what do you want from a bar?

shuffleboard!

one of the only times i was in tattooed mom's, i was waiting for someone. i asked if anyone had seen a guy who looked like steve buscemi. this led to a stupid conversation in which they kept leading me into traps and making fun of me. i guess they were "cool" or something