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Predictions Of The War On Terror, From 9-14-01

11 by ivan_Archive
well to quote your good self, mr bob

Hindsight proves how clearly Griffin was thinking on that day


and as i say above, bullshit, even the most cursory inspection of "reality" shows that these predictions remain unproven and totally off the mark, because they are in fact motivated by fanatical rantings about the UN and an isolationist militia mindset. But you are quite right, they might all come true four hundred years from now, man will my great great great grandkids get a chuckle at my expense.
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Predictions Of The War On Terror, From 9-14-01

12 by nihil_Archive
clocker bob wrote:
ivan wrote:so in summary


That was good, especially the part where you quoted Griffin stating that all the predictions would be completely proved accurate by 6/1/06. Oh, you didn't find that part?

That's the cool thing about making predictions without deadlines- you can potentially be right for as long as the countries and organizations cited in the predictions exist.


that Griffen dude wrote:Unfortunately, they have all come to pass. Here they are as stated on September 14, 2001.


emphasis mine.

Predictions Of The War On Terror, From 9-14-01

14 by clocker bob_Archive
nihil wrote:
that Griffin dude wrote:Unfortunately, they have all come to pass. Here they are as stated on September 14, 2001.


emphasis mine.


Griffin see evidence of all these trends in progress, if you want to read the epilogues that follow all the predictions at the web site. Of course, you may interpret the news articles he has chosen differently, that's your right.

I personally think he's at least 50/50 as we stand today, and I don't rule out the eventual accuracy of any of them. They are simply predictions. Nobody picks all winners at the track but people keep betting the horses.

The slack is yours to give. I say that the true lesson to be learned from the predictions is to be very careful of who you write off as a source. Because I deal in conspiracy theories, partially as entertainment, partially to see if I can also make good predictions, I tend to be more accepting of sources than many people might be. And I like the game of spotting the bullshit, too, so I'll take a good whiff where others won't.

Predictions Of The War On Terror, From 9-14-01

15 by clocker bob_Archive
ivan wrote:well to quote your good self, mr bob

Hindsight proves how clearly Griffin was thinking on that day


and as i say above, bullshit, even the most cursory inspection of "reality" shows that these predictions remain unproven and totally off the mark, because they are in fact motivated by fanatical rantings about the UN and an isolationist militia mindset. But you are quite right, they might all come true four hundred years from now, man will my great great great grandkids get a chuckle at my expense.


I make 1, 5, 6, 7, and 11 true on this day. Again, nobody wants to give the man a hand for those, in spite of the NWO mindset that dominates the predictions? Predictions like those ( and what they implied about the direction of the country ) were in very short supply after 9/11 and pre-Iraq war, and if more mainstream people had the balls to issue warnings like those, maybe the terror war landscape would look different.

And it may well take 100 or 400 years for your great great great grandkids to find your posts today and wonder why the ancient Ivan and the ancient Clocker Bob didn't do more to prevent the world they came to live in. Let's hope that no more of the predictions do come true. I think we can both agree with Griffin on that.

Predictions Of The War On Terror, From 9-14-01

16 by warmowski_Archive
clocker bob wrote:
Warmowski- The UN is the face of globalism that the public sees, and it is specifically kept looking inept and powerless for that very reason- so casual observers will see it as a reflection of the progress of world government, and relax. If Griffin replaced every reference to the UN with New World Order or IMF or GATT or NAFTA, etc., would he then sound like he was ringing an alarm for a real fire?


The public sees nothing of the UN. They see plenty of globalism - which they know as "the economy" - a condition which is abstracted, externalized and decried by local leadership in their bid to give reasons for the crushing of the middle class. The public couldn't explain what globalism meant in any terms if asked - yet you're claiming the UN's awful record is cooked up to pull the wool over their eyes?

If this guy has inspired your sturctural understanding of fractional reserve banking, then he isn't worthless as a researcher of the history of the fed and central banking. But for anyone to refer to the UN as the opposite of a failed, toothless institution is batshit loonflakes.

I don't get it: the Straussians and their policies aren't enough for you?

They have names and addresses and histories and require very little theoretical treatment.

-r

Predictions Of The War On Terror, From 9-14-01

17 by Antero_Archive
See, this is stupid. Not only have most of this guy's predictions not come true - and in many cases laughably so - he undermines the parts that have by, essentially, being nothing more than a twitching world-government-fearing paranoid. When he occasionally hits on something that matches with reality, it's not because of his political analysis or his keen instincts, it's just something that fits in his conspiracy.

CRAP

rayj wrote:Honestly, I take the 'tone' of the predictions as casually accurate, not necessarily the details...not a popular stance for 'conversation lawyer' types, but the stance of someone exhausted with the whole process.
Did you just step out of a Colbert monologue or what?
http://www.myspace.com/leopoldandloebchicago

Linus Van Pelt wrote:I subscribe to neither prong of your false dichotomy.

Predictions Of The War On Terror, From 9-14-01

18 by Earwicker_Archive
I think this quote is relevant here and in my view all would do well to note it:

“’I have never doubted the truth of signs, Adso; they are the only things man has with which to orient himself in the world. What I did not understand was the relation among signs. I arrived at Jorge through an apocalyptic pattern that seemed to underlie all the crimes, and yet it was accidental. I arrived at Jorge seeking one criminal for all the crimes and we discovered that each crime was committed by a different person, or by no one. I arrived at Jorge pursuing the plan of a perverse and rational mind, and there was no plan, or, rather, Jorge himself was overcome by his own initial design and there began a sequence of causes, and concauses, and of causes contradicting one another, which proceeded on their own, creating relations that did not stem from any plan. Where is all my wisdom then? I behaved stubbornly, pursuing a semblance of order, when I should have known well that there is no order in the universe.’

‘But in imagining an erroneous order you still found something…’

‘What you say is very fine, Adso, and I thank you. The order that our mind imagines is like a net, or like a ladder, built to attain something. But afterward you must throw it away, because you discover that, even if it was useful, it was meaningless…’”

Umberto Eco, The Name of the Rose

Predictions Of The War On Terror, From 9-14-01

20 by clocker bob_Archive
tommydski wrote:thanks for posting this bob, i enjoyed reading it a lot.

but still, ivan raises a good point.
i was 17 when he made these predictions and honestly, i remember i made exactly the same ones.


I think Ivan's point was that half of the predictions were preposterous in his view, and that the other half were common and easy predictions. Did you only make the exact same good predictions in 2001, or did you make a matching set for them all?
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