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Connecticut showdown: Lieberman vs. Lamont

Posted: Tue Aug 01, 2006 8:13 am
by stewie_Archive
unarmedman wrote:To which Lieberman repeatedly responded "CHECK MY FUCKING VOTING RECORD".

So I did. It wouldn't hurt for ya'll to check it yourselves.

He's as much of a Democrat as the others, just differing on the war. Taxes, abortion, civil rights, etc. Pure Democrat. This is an Iraq war issue, not a DINO issue.


I disagree - Iraq is a big issue but it's not the only issue causing Lieberman's woes. The recent bankruptcy bill, plan B contraception and health care are some very notable exceptions. Here's an excellent article on this very topic, which hopefully makes things clearer.

Connecticut showdown: Lieberman vs. Lamont

Posted: Tue Aug 01, 2006 10:04 am
by joesepi_Archive
stewie wrote:
unarmedman wrote:To which Lieberman repeatedly responded "CHECK MY FUCKING VOTING RECORD".

So I did. It wouldn't hurt for ya'll to check it yourselves.

He's as much of a Democrat as the others, just differing on the war. Taxes, abortion, civil rights, etc. Pure Democrat. This is an Iraq war issue, not a DINO issue.


I disagree - Iraq is a big issue but it's not the only issue causing Lieberman's woes. The recent bankruptcy bill, plan B contraception and health care are some very notable exceptions. Here's an excellent article on this very topic, which hopefully makes things clearer.


AGREED. And you also saved me the time of going out and finding links to prove Lieberman doesn't have that great of a voting record.

AND - did anyone see Lamont on Colbert last night. I think he did ok, considering he was on Colbert.

Connecticut showdown: Lieberman vs. Lamont

Posted: Tue Aug 01, 2006 11:36 am
by skatingbasser_Archive
joesepi wrote:AND - did anyone see Lamont on Colbert last night. I think he did ok, considering he was on Colbert.


Yeah, I thought it was pretty weak. He sounded like a politician.

Connecticut showdown: Lieberman vs. Lamont

Posted: Tue Aug 01, 2006 12:12 pm
by bfields_Archive
stewie wrote:Here's an excellent article on this very topic, which hopefully makes things clearer.


Geez, thanks for the link to a liberal discussion board to help make clear why I should like the more "liberal" candidate.

This Democratic Party, she is so confusing to me. Now excuse me while I purchase a Russ Feingold bumper sticker for my car. When the democrats can put together another candidate with cajones, please send me a text.

:smt069

Connecticut showdown: Lieberman vs. Lamont

Posted: Tue Aug 01, 2006 12:26 pm
by joesepi_Archive
Well, bfields, coming from the People's Republic of Evanston, I can see why you are so anti-liberal (nudge nudge wink wink).

But really, I love Feingold and I am hopeful that Lamont could be more like a Feingold democrat.

Connecticut showdown: Lieberman vs. Lamont

Posted: Tue Aug 01, 2006 12:30 pm
by stewie_Archive
bfields wrote:
stewie wrote:Here's an excellent article on this very topic, which hopefully makes things clearer.


Geez, thanks for the link to a liberal discussion board to help make clear why I should like the more "liberal" candidate.


Given that I had about 1 minute to find a link this morning, and given that the liberal blogs have been ravenously researching his record, I don't see where else I should have looked.

Connecticut showdown: Lieberman vs. Lamont

Posted: Thu Aug 03, 2006 7:20 am
by stewie_Archive
http://www.quinnipiac.edu/x11362.xml?ReleaseID=943

Poll released today: Lamont leads Lieberman 54 to 41 percent.

Hooooo-diddly.

Connecticut showdown: Lieberman vs. Lamont

Posted: Mon Aug 07, 2006 9:29 am
by clocker bob_Archive
This is newspeak cowardice. What a mealy-mouthed puppet. You cannot pat yourself on the back for deposing Saddam and then distance yourself from every other policy unleashed by the President who received the unchecked war powers, thanks to the unwillingness of you and your fellow traitorous warmongers to regulate the Executive Branch's war powers. Now, five years later, it is too late to repair the damage done to this country's reputation and to its constitution, thanks to the outrageous panic reaction to 9/11.

associated press wrote:
Lieberman confronts anti-war criticism

By SUSAN HAIGH, Associated Press Writer 8-7-06
EAST HAVEN, Conn. - Facing intense pressure in his bid for the Democratic primary, Sen.
Joe Lieberman strongly distanced himself from
President Bush, saying he opposed the White House's domestic agenda and its handling of the
Iraq war.

"I am the only Democrat in America to run against
George Bush in a national election twice," Lieberman told supporters at a rally Sunday. "You know why I ran for president in 2004? Because I believe that his agenda was wrong for our country and our future. And that's the truth."

:::edit:::

At his campaign rally, Lieberman said he has opposed nearly major domestic issue Bush has backed, including a ban on stem cell research and a constitutional amendment to ban gay marriage.

Lieberman laid out his stance on Iraq, saying he did support the resolution giving the president authority to take out
Saddam Hussein, as did many Senate Democrats.

"I still believe that was right. What I don't think is right, as I have said over and over again, are many of the Bush administration decisions regarding the conduct of the war," he said.

He criticized the president for not having a plan to win the peace and for a shortage of troops and allies.

"Don't think for a minute I do not grieve for every casualty of this war," Lieberman said. "In fact, as someone who voted for the war, I feel a heavy responsibility to try to end it as quickly and successfully as possible."


If he actually opposed the war like he says, he'd be getting Swift Boated like Congressman Murtha is.

Connecticut showdown: Lieberman vs. Lamont

Posted: Mon Aug 07, 2006 1:04 pm
by alex maiolo_Archive
I'm not so sure that I like Lamont that much, but I have no problem with punishing a politician. It is sadly rare.

If this was about some ugly statue, drunk driving, or a verbal gaff, I'd say, whatever, nobody's perfect.

No, this is about a guy who was an ardent supporter of the Iraq war and still is. John Edwards is one of the few people who have said "I was for the War because I was given information that was wrong. Based on that I thought it was a good idea, but now I feel duped, and I'm against it."
Hillary hasn't said that and neither has Connecticut Joe. Too proud to say "I was fooled by the President" I guess. It would be refreshing if they did.

This is *our* government, and we get what we deserve. If Florida 2000 had really pissed us off, we wouldn't have taken it as easily as we did. Same with the War. Same with Bush's re-election, even if there was cheating. If the cheating had really mattered, we would have demanded satisfaction, but no, we just kept shopping for a Lexus.

So there is nothing wrong with Lieberman getting scolded for 'bag like behavior. In fact, we might see the evangelicals get a little cold on the Republicans one day. Not entirely unlikely.
These assholes need to be put on notice for once.

-A

Connecticut showdown: Lieberman vs. Lamont

Posted: Mon Aug 07, 2006 1:12 pm
by joesepi_Archive
alex maiolo wrote:John Edwards is one of the few people who have said "I was for the War because I was given information that was wrong. Based on that I thought it was a good idea, but now I feel duped, and I'm against it."


John Edwards has also said the United States should start pulling troops out of Iraq immediately.

I read this this morning as well and found it very much on the mark and in aggreeance with alex maiolo.

Salon's War Room wrote:The Lieberman earthquake

Because conventional wisdom now holds that a Ned Lamont victory is all but certain, there is a risk of overlooking the real significance of a Lamont win. (And, incidentally, any complacency about that ought to be at least somewhat diluted by today's new Quinnipiac poll showing Lamont's lead reduced from 13 to six points).

Polls notwithstanding, it is hard to overstate what a profound and monumental upset it will be if Ned Lamont defeats Joe Lieberman. There are few positions that offer greater job security than being an incumbent member of the U.S. Congress. The reelection rate for incumbents in the House is now 98 percent, a figure that would create envy even among 1970s Politburo members. It is extremely rare for a three-term senator to lose an election, let alone lose to a primary challenger from his or her own party.

For some time now, this has been one of the greatest and most frustrating contradictions in our political system. Americans are overwhelmingly dissatisfied with, even contemptuous of, Congress, yet they continue to reelect the same representatives over and over, making reelection effectively automatic.

It is not hyperbole to describe a Lieberman defeat as an earthquake for the political establishment -- which is why virtually all members of that establishment, from both political parties and from its pundit class, have been enthusiastically supporting Lieberman. More than any other factor, what enables elected officials to be so unresponsive to the views of those whom they ostensibly represent is that their incumbency advantage effectively eliminates the fear of being removed from office.

The supremacy of incumbency has given birth to a more or less permanent Beltway class that views its power as an entitlement, something that its members have the divine right to possess until they choose to relinquish it. It is that aristocratic mindset that explains the bizarre sense of anger and offense triggered among the political and pundit classes -- and within Lieberman himself -- by Ned Lamont's aggressive primary challenge. The effort to defeat Joe Lieberman was considered to be improper, uncouth, even somehow undemocratic by those most entrenched in our stagnant, plodding, virtually immovable political structures.

Beyond striking a blow against the Iraq war and the neoconservatives who are responsible for it, a Lamont victory would deal a hard blow to the power of incumbency and the entitlement mindset it has spawned. It would be seen, rightfully so, as a repudiation of the Beltway pundit and political classes that, from the start and with virtual unanimity, viewed the Lamont challenge with scorn, as a distasteful rebellion by the crazed, dirty, unenlightened masses. The most important impact of a Lamont win is that it would shake the foundations of a self-contained Beltway political structure that is as unresponsive as it is corrupt at its core.