i vote not crap.

lackluster moments in it, sure. but what album doesn't have a couple?

the strong points outweight the weak spots, i think.

not crap.

bobbydj wrote:This should be a poll of its own - shite / fucking shite. It lands in the second category with such a splatter that filth and vileness spray all over some passing children. And then they go home and get bollocked by their mums for being all stinky and horrible.

Wow!

The Wall is great if:
-You are a 15 year old boy
-You are high
-You are both of those things

Otherwise I consider it near the bottom of Pink Floyd's pile.
Dark Side was a concept album and it has some truly great moments.

I think PF was good band with some fine ideas, but The Wall, to me, reeks of over-indulgence and is so "deep" that it gets exposed for it's shallowness.
That is how it's like Mindcrime, 2112, Hemispheres, Tales From Topographic Oceans, or Tommy.

The only concept album I completely dig is Kraftwerk's Tour De France Soundtracks, unless you count some of the Kinks' records.

-A

I, barely, vote Not Crap based on the ear candy and soaring guitar parts. On the other hand, this is one of the reasons we needed punk.

alex maiolo wrote:Wow!

The Wall is great if:
-You are a 15 year old boy
-You are high
-You are both of those things

Otherwise I consider it near the bottom of Pink Floyd's pile.
Dark Side was a concept album and it has some truly great moments.

I think PF was good band with some fine ideas, but The Wall, to me, reeks of over-indulgence and is so "deep" that it gets exposed for it's shallowness.
That is how it's like Mindcrime, 2112, Hemispheres, Tales From Topographic Oceans, or Tommy.

The only concept album I completely dig is Kraftwerk's Tour De France Soundtracks, unless you count some of the Kinks' records.

-A

Wrong.

Todd T Turned me on to this. I listened to it and I was high. You don't dig 2112 or Tommy either, so I can't repair your obviously damaged brain.

I must give it a NOT CRAP soley on the use of its "deep emotional content" that lead to a lot of tongue kissing and young breast feeling in high school. It was like a make-out starter in the mid 80's. It worked better than peach flavored wine coolers!

But yeah, Pink Floyd did have some great and soaring moments but few are anywhere near this record.

Double albums are known for being being filled with....well...filler.

It's difficult to make one work, at least for my tastes.

Most double albums have a story or theme, Quadrophenia, Tommy, Operation Mindcrime etc......
That being said i believe the Wall acomplishes it's goal. Bloated self indulgent story about a rockah going insane. I get it. I wasn't bored.

I was also 16 and stoned all the time.


Not crap.


Sidenote: the girl who played the groupie in the film (Jenny Wright)
A minor actress in the 80's to be sure. She used to come into the record store in the late 90's and sell her boyfriends cd's for Crack or some such drug.
It freaked me out the first couple of times she came in.
I knew i recognized her and i just could not remember where.
I had this image in my head of her sucking someones fingers!???

Thinking she must have been in porn or something i was too embarrassed
to ask her personally. Eventually a coworker clued me in. Creepy.

here is a picture....

zom-zom wrote:Wrong.

Todd T Turned me on to this. I listened to it and I was high. You don't dig 2112 or Tommy either, so I can't repair your obviously damaged brain.

Let me get this straight...
You dig 2112, an Ayn Rand based sci-fi tale of priests hunting down a renegade who has procured a verbotten guitar in a cave, and think *my* brain is damaged?

I'll give you The Wall. I can waffle hard on that one. I was once a 15 year old boy in an altered state and nostalgia is a powerful thing, but even back when I thought Neil Peart's lyrics were heaaaavvvvy I thought 2112 was just too much. At least Hemispheres gets it over with in ONE side.

My deal was always the over-indulgence component of these types of records. Do we really need 4 sides to tell a story?
This is rock music, man.
Rip off the band aid already.

-A

alex maiolo wrote:

zom-zom wrote:Wrong.

Todd T Turned me on to this. I listened to it and I was high. You don't dig 2112 or Tommy either, so I can't repair your obviously damaged brain.

Let me get this straight...
You dig 2112, an Ayn Rand based sci-fi tale of priests hunting down a renegade who has procured a verbotten guitar in a cave, and think *my* brain is damaged?

I'll give you The Wall. I can waffle hard on that one. I was once a 15 year old boy in an altered state and nostalgia is a powerful thing, but even back when I thought Neil Peart's lyrics were heaaaavvvvy I thought 2112 was just too much. At least Hemispheres gets it over with in ONE side.

My deal was always the over-indulgence component of these types of records. Do we really need 4 sides to tell a story?
This is rock music, man.
Rip off the band aid already.

-A

as the official E.A. Rush fluffer, i have to tell you that 2112's bloated epic just covers one side. The other side of the LP is not part of the concept.

Pink Floyd is my favorite all time "classic rock" band. i saw the movie like 12 times when it came out. now it sems kind of silly, but is still ok as one long rock video. The album itself has not aged well with me. I think the "Final Cut" is a better LP. Floyd were a great band, and The Wall serves a purpose for 11-17 year old losers and outcasts the same way "Finding Nemo" and "Ice Age" serves a purpose for 3-9 year olds.

I'll take this cliche one step further and admit to watching The Wall LAZER SHOW under the influence of LSD.

Everything was great until they snuck a song from The Final Cut in there. Really messed up the experience and left me feeling cheated and confused.

I think the movie is pretty awesome. I haven't watched it in years but that really long ash on the end of Pink's cigarette is pretty impressive. The bit about his rat dying always chokes me up too.

Anyone ever notice the similarities to Come and See? Now THAT is a film!

galanter wrote:I, barely, vote Not Crap based on the ear candy and soaring guitar parts

Ear Candy? Ear Candy!? This record sounds like dogshit. Gilmour's hyper-compressed guitar tone is among the worst I've ever heard. His "soaring" solos make me vomit blood.