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Too words for you, Mr. Hinckley: target practice.

Jodie Foster would have loved you for it.

Reagan was human and a president. Not a god and a changer of history.

The revisionism that has been happening for the past week is staggering.
Reagan was no saint, but admit - the man did have class. The man could talk with intelligence, honesty, and conviction - before the brain liquifying began to creep in.

Reagan was no saint, but the Shrub is no Reagan, and I take it as a personal insult that his re-election commitee and party yes-people even thought for a split second of a dream in which the Shrub was in any way, shape or form worthy of thought of in any context that was even remotely close to Reagan.

And I don't really have any love for Reagan.

Him, a gallon-bucket of waffle Not Crap.

Anyone else talking about him in the past week (excepting family/appropriate funeral-relative activities) = TOTAL HORSESHIT.

This list pulled from one of many resources, and proves ever so appropriate:

some media website wrote:The House and Senate did not both come under Republican rule during Reagan's time.
The Berlin Wall did not come down when Reagan was in office.
Reagan is not the president who left office with the highest approval rating in modern times.
Reagan was not "the most popular president ever."
Reagan did not preside over the longest economic expansion in history.
Reagan did not shrink the size of government.
Reagan did preside over what was at the time the "biggest tax cut in history" but it was almost instantly followed up by the "biggest tax increase in history."
Reagan was not "beloved by all." He was loved by some, liked by some, and hated by some with good reason.

He did say "well," a lot.

Actually one of Reagantor's first actions in office was to blow a few million in advance for his funeral that we've been witnessing on the telly. We (well, not I at the time) already paid for this corpsing long ago. Fairly shrewd.

Faiz

kerble wrote:Actually one of Reagantor's first actions in office was to blow a few million in advance for his funeral that we've been witnessing on the telly. We (well, not I at the time) already paid for this corpsing long ago. Fairly shrewd.

Ooops. I found out this weekend that that's actually something that every president since Teddy Roosevelt had to do and shouldn't besmirch Reagan's good name. Each new president picks the speakers locales etc. blah blah blah.

Sorry for the poor info.

Faiz

Mr. Chimp wrote:but admit - the man did have class..

Nope.

Mr. Chimp wrote:The man could talk with intelligence,

Nope.

Mr. Chimp wrote:honesty,

Nope.

Mr. Chimp wrote:and conviction.

Nope.

Sorry.
Class? He was a Hollywood Actor. Who went toe-to-toe with a chimpanzee in a sitcom and was compared unfavorably.

By the way, he also subverted the very same Constitution he swore to uphold. He was a liar who misled the American public to financially reward his asinine peer group.

He was Evil. I don't really see any wiggle room on this.

(Last week, Jerry Parr, the Secret Service agent who shoved Reagan in the car just after Hinckley pulled the trigger, gave his only interview to The Hill, a daily tabloid covering the goings-on under the Capitol dome. I found this quote, buried near the bottom of the story, rather telling:

"Parr is now involved in an inner city ministry that serves the poor and disadvantaged. 'It’s a pastoral ministry in Adams Morgan associated with an ecumenical church that works with blacks and Hispanics who have been marginalized,'he said. 'Some of Reagan’s policies hurt them.'" )

Enough political hoohah. Cruise on over to the Tech Room and answer my questions about 807 tubes already.

Chris G wrote:

Mr. Chimp wrote:but admit - the man did have class..

Nope.

Mr. Chimp wrote:The man could talk with intelligence,

Nope.

Mr. Chimp wrote:honesty,

Nope.

Mr. Chimp wrote:and conviction.

Nope.

Sorry.
Class? He was a Hollywood Actor. Who went toe-to-toe with a chimpanzee in a sitcom and was compared unfavorably.

By the way, he also subverted the very same Constitution he swore to uphold. He was a liar who misled the American public to financially reward his asinine peer group.

He was Evil. I don't really see any wiggle room on this.

(Last week, Jerry Parr, the Secret Service agent who shoved Reagan in the car just after Hinckley pulled the trigger, gave his only interview to The Hill, a daily tabloid covering the goings-on under the Capitol dome. I found this quote, buried near the bottom of the story, rather telling:

"Parr is now involved in an inner city ministry that serves the poor and disadvantaged. 'It’s a pastoral ministry in Adams Morgan associated with an ecumenical church that works with blacks and Hispanics who have been marginalized,'he said. 'Some of Reagan’s policies hurt them.'" )

Enough political hoohah. Cruise on over to the Tech Room and answer my questions about 807 tubes already.

Okay, I'll admit that upon review this came off a little different - this was merely meant to convey that Reagen, for all of his faults, gave off the appearance of being presidential. He did conduct himself along classier lines, and I should have said he could convey intelligence honesty and conviction - whether he was intelligent, honest or convicted or not.

As an Evil Entity, Reagan was as smooth as cream cheese.

As an Evil Entity, the Shrub is a blundering asshole blind idiot child.

By the way, he also subverted the very same Constitution he swore to uphold. He was a liar who misled the American public to financially reward his asinine peer group.

hey guess what. thats a politician for you. they're all liars. every single one of them.

It sucks the guy died. he obviously had family and friends that love him and will miss him, and anyone thats gone through that knows it sucks.

hey guess what. thats a politician for you. they're all liars. every single one of them.

politicians, esp. running for national office, ESP. running for president, must lie to get elected, or at least they cannot say exactly what they think about everything. this is unfortunately true.

the republican party would like people to be bothered by this, for then people will not vote, and the lower the turnout, the better their chances, as they can rely on their always-votin' minority.

if someone is not a republican or doesn't sympathize with those ideals, then it's in that person's best interest to accept that there is a certain amount of 'role-playing' or 'diplomacy' or 'lying' involved and just get on with trying to elect someone who will do more of the things you'd like to have done.

i'm not trying to tell anyone what to do, but i hear that kind of thing so much, from 18yr-olds and my mother-in-law alike. and every time i hear it, i try to relay my opinion on the subject, which is: even if it's true, one should just eat it and vote for the person one can best support anyway, if that person has a snowball's chance in hell of winning. i say this b/c i believe this presidential election in particular is probably the most important of my lifetime, and i'd like it to be based on the active participation of my fellow citizens in the voting process. the end.

It sucks the guy died. he obviously had family and friends that love him and will miss him, and anyone thats gone through that knows it sucks.

this is absolutely true. i think he was a lousy president and a bad influence on the course of this country, but what you say is still true.

It sucks the guy died. he obviously had family and friends that love him and will miss him, and anyone thats gone through that knows it sucks.

in some cases, such as this one i believe, a family can actually wish a peaceful death upon their loved ones. the idea is somewhat parallel to what you'd be thinking while mercifully killing your war buddy when you find him lying on the ground with his guts hanging out. since it's inevitably going to happen very soon, and the only thing that's going to happen between that point and death is some uneeded suffering…

It’s telling that so much of the TV commentary focused on Reagan’s sense of humor or his personal acts of kindness — his compassion and sensitivity to the needs of others. That’s a tip-off that the man didn’t change America in any important way. If he had done something revolutionary, that would have been the focus of discussion.

Ronald Reagan was neither a hero nor a malevolent villain. He was simply a politician — but the quintessential politician.

A politician is someone who tells you one thing and does another — usually the opposite.

And on that basis, Reagan ranks right up there with Franklin Roosevelt as one of the most successful politicians ever.

But in terms of his effect on America, he was one of the worst.