neemer wrote:It's called "fucking analog."

Yea, and unless you want to sound like ass, it is 'fucking expensive' to go 100% analog.

I consider our studio 20% digital, and that 20% accounts for at least a $100,000 analog investment.

[/quote]Yea, and unless you want to sound like ass, it is 'fucking expensive' to go 100% analog.[/quote]


I don't know, I picked up a Tascam MS-16 for $1500 with 20 reels of preused 456 and it sounds pretty damn decent.

Nothing against using computers to make music, though.

-n

n.c. wrote:I don't know, I picked up a Tascam MS-16 for $1500 with 20 reels of preused 456 and it sounds pretty damn decent.

Nothing against using computers to make music, though.

-n

Having used said machine, I'd say it sounds quite decent (hi, Nathan).

Hmm...Never sounded like ass before. Smelled like ass a time or two, but we won't go into that. So how do you go about sounding like ass? I've stuck my head as close as I can to my ass, but it doesn't make a sound. Not a one. Well, unless I've had beans, but that's another thread....But boy, have I ever smelled like ass.... Maybe that's what you meant? Cause in all my 27 years my ass has never once made a sound....Besides the above mentioned beans related incidents....All I'm trying to say is....relax guys. I'm just having some fun.. Yes, I understand and appreciate the cost of analog tape and I understand why someone won't use it because of the cost. I was just being a jerk. Well, actually, I was just trying to make you guys laugh a bit. I mean, I was using the word "meese." lol

Umm what does anyone have against logic? I will use logic until i die unless they go out of business. Do people not like logic or something?

Oh I also believe incense and lava lamps can make any software work better. I believe that to be a fact. You can get a lava lamp off ebay for like $10. And incense...pshhhh.

RalphE wrote:Umm what does anyone have against logic?

The dongle, the lack of sample accurate editing in arrange view, the dongle, non-native menus, the dongle, lack of stability on OSX, the dongle, inscrutable buttons and icons, and did I mention the dongle?

Mainly, it's the draconian, ball and chain method of copy-protection, and the really terrible UI that keep me from using it more. Oh and the damn sampler crashes in such a foul and unpleasant way that it's unusable. Also, the cheaper version (which I paid hundreds for mind you) does not appear to show volume automation info in dB! That's also pretty unusable in my book. Emagic also has way too much code still mired in old APIs like QuickDraw, as the time spent drawing graphics often surpasses the audio computation on OSX. This isn't as bad as GarageBand, which easily eats most CPUs just drawing, leaving little room for actual audio processing.

I do like some of the included effects and instruments in Logic, which sound decent for software (although why no commercial software can match the efficiency and quality of SuperCollider is still amazing). The 'Environment' still strikes me as a half-assed Max/Pd attempt, and most tasks are far more easily accomplished with those apps.

Returning to the original subject, I like ProTools for audio editing and mixing. I also found it the easiest application to teach to students as it's basic functions are not buried too deeply in the UI. I also think that it has the most straightforward editing layout that I've encountered, and it also has the least reliance on ancillary windows to perform most tasks.

I don't like Digidesign as a company for the most part. Intentional feature crippling, forced obsolescence and upgrades are not really my idea of user/customer friendly tactics.