so the lesson is: help out a band you like, force them into breaking up, then moan about all the money you never made off them... that perspective is priceless.

I'm pretty sure he's talking about Pennywise. His jackass description is somewhat accurate, and the singer's name was Jim if I remember correctly.

The Code is Almighty wrote:I'm pretty sure he's talking about Pennywise. His jackass description is somewhat accurate, and the singer's name was Jim if I remember correctly.

Didn't they get a deal anyhow, on Epitaph?

I always thought they were some Rancid/NOFX type band.

EDIT: They are still active, apparently.

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...and Jody got married, shoulda known we'd never get far....

Awesome. The threads here need more Bryan Adams references.

lemur68 wrote:

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...and Jody got married, shoulda known we'd never get far....

Urrgh! You beat me to it.

And here I thought that was Toto.

So Jimmy's delivering pizzas?

Well, that Nirvana situation turned out beautifully didn't it?

Entertainment lawyers seem to be the people that would have most clout in shopping a demo to a major. Unless you have an established management company (Gold Mountain, Kelly Curtis, etc.) with credibility, this is the typical path.

I have never met a talent manager with clout enough to negotiate with the big boys.

burun wrote:Mixerman is better, and more amusing.

That guy's a pretty big asshole as well.

rocker654 wrote:Entertainment lawyers seem to be the people that would have most clout in shopping a demo to a major. Unless you have an established management company (Gold Mountain, Kelly Curtis, etc.) with credibility, this is the typical path.

I have never met a talent manager with clout enough to negotiate with the big boys.

So, do you know what you're talking about or are you making this all up?

Please tell us:
1) How many "talent managers" have you met, and what negotiations did they fail at?
2) Who are these entertainment lawyers, and what demos have they successfully "shopped?" To whom, "shopped?"
3) Have more bands been signed at the behest of lawyers, managers, or the bands themselves? Give percentages please. You may approximate them if you must.
4) You say that lawyers are the "typical" path for a band to get signed. Please tell us the sample size that allowed you to draw this conclusion. How many deals have you witnessed being made? Of these, how many bands were signed because they had a lawyer, versus how many were signed through other venues, or were not signed because they didn't use a lawyer (not some other reason).

I await your response.