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galanter wrote:
Wonderful! If both are calibrated with the same units, it should be easy then to compare Oswalds Marine skill tests to the skill required to make the Kennedy shots.

So tell me, what did the tests establish. Did the Kennedy shots require sharpshooter status? Marksman status? Could a sub-marksman do it? Would one need skills even beyond sharpshooter status?

see my post above

http://www.electrical.com/phpBB2/viewto ... 915#451915

madlee wrote:

galanter wrote:
Wonderful! If both are calibrated with the same units, it should be easy then to compare Oswalds Marine skill tests to the skill required to make the Kennedy shots.

So tell me, what did the tests establish. Did the Kennedy shots require sharpshooter status? Marksman status? Could a sub-marksman do it? Would one need skills even beyond sharpshooter status?

see my post above

http://www.electrical.com/phpBB2/viewto ... 915#451915

That doesn't directly provide what I asked for. I also can't find the quote on the linked page...maybe I missed it, but I don't think so.

Describe Lee Harvey Oswald's shooting ability.

Just three weeks after joining the Marines, he's trained in the use of an M-l rifle. He shoots on a rifle range [a score of] 212, which means he qualified for the second-highest position in the Marine Corps, that of a sharpshooter.

Near the end of his stay in the Marines in 1959, after being court-martialed twice and his morale was low, he went back to re-qualify himself in the range -- still shot a 191, and still qualified as a marksman. That meant that he could hit a 10-inch target eight times out of ten from 200 yards away.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline ... osner.html

So at worst he could hit a 10 inch target 600 feet away 8 out of 10 times. Kennedy's head was about a 10 inch target, and was only 190-260 feet away, and he hit it 1 out of 3 times. (He hit Kennedy at all 2 out of 3 times). The target was moving very slowly.

The Kennedy shots were well within Oswalds skill level.

galanter wrote:(We, of course, don't know if he got better after the Marines. Reportedly he would at times sit on the porch working the rifle bolt over and over again. He also would go target shooting.

galanter wrote:

madlee wrote:

galanter wrote:
Wonderful! If both are calibrated with the same units, it should be easy then to compare Oswalds Marine skill tests to the skill required to make the Kennedy shots.

So tell me, what did the tests establish. Did the Kennedy shots require sharpshooter status? Marksman status? Could a sub-marksman do it? Would one need skills even beyond sharpshooter status?

see my post above

http://www.electrical.com/phpBB2/viewto ... 915#451915

That doesn't directly provide what I asked for. It's also misleading.

wha???

If the acknowledged best sniper in marine history says he couldn't duplicate it, how is that misleading?

Yeah I'm not an expert but I've fired bolt-action rifles and I know I could get off 3 rounds in 19 seconds.

It's a spurious argument.

madlee wrote:

galanter wrote:

madlee wrote:

galanter wrote:
Wonderful! If both are calibrated with the same units, it should be easy then to compare Oswalds Marine skill tests to the skill required to make the Kennedy shots.

So tell me, what did the tests establish. Did the Kennedy shots require sharpshooter status? Marksman status? Could a sub-marksman do it? Would one need skills even beyond sharpshooter status?

see my post above

http://www.electrical.com/phpBB2/viewto ... 915#451915

That doesn't directly provide what I asked for. It's also misleading.

wha???

If the acknowledged best sniper in marine history says he couldn't duplicate it, how is that misleading?

Sorry, but I edited that to say I can't find the quote on the linked page.

Nevertheless...

Oswald could hit a 10 inch target 8 out of 10 times from 600 feet.

Kennedy was much closer and hit with less accuracy.

If anything the argument might be that Oswald shouldn't have missed!

Hell I could do it in 8 seconds, too! Have you ever fired a rifle?

And didn't the gun have a fault (the scope?)

And why wouldn't he go for the clearer, easier shot as the vehicle was traveling slowly, directly toward the window Oswald (1,2 or 3) was allegedly in?

(granted this last question does nothing to highlight the situation but adds to the overall sense that the official explanation is suspicious)

Anyways, Galanter, I've heard there is some explanation for how the bullet swam around in mid air shooting several people in several different places before being discovered later and I'd be interested in seeing this explanation. Can you point me to a link to some info on that?

Also Galanter were you around when the thread regarding the CIA's involvement in Bobby Kennedy's death was floating around?

Try it for yourself!

(You sick, sick fucks.)

Back to the article before returning to the thread's intended subject matter.

Does anyone find it strange that the test was conducted by unnamed "Italian weapons experts" and that there doesn't appear to be any accompanying video of the test? Why would their identities need to be kept secret? Why wouldn't they just provide a video of how long it took them to load and fire?

But when the Italian team test-fired the identical model of gun, they were unable to load and fire three shots in less than 19 seconds - suggesting that a second gunman must have been present in Dealey Plaza, central Dallas, that day.

As for Oswald, the central question seems to be, was it possible for him to make the shot? I don't get why it would be that hard to duplicate similar conditions (aside from the pressure associated with shooting the president) or find shooters with similar training/experience to see if it was possible. Probability is a different argument.