Macs are so expensive that I dont really think it's fair to compare them at all. They cost a lot of money because they are very good. Hooray for Apple and their excellent machines which cost a lot of money!

Cheap as fuck PCs that I can add to here and there when I have the money are the realistic platform for me and so many other people. We are used to being perpetually shat upon by Microsoft. We accept it is part of the deal of being a PC user. If anyone wants to send me a Mac, that is absolutely okay with me.

In the mean-time I will be on my cheap as fuck PC, dilligently waiting for Vista SP1.

tommydski wrote:Macs are so expensive that I dont really think it's fair to compare them at all. They cost a lot of money because they are very good. Hooray for Apple and their excellent machines which cost a lot of money!

Cheap as fuck PCs that I can add to here and there when I have the money are the realistic platform for me and so many other people. We are used to being perpetually shat upon by Microsoft. We accept it is part of the deal of being a PC user. If anyone wants to send me a Mac, that is absolutely okay with me.

In the mean-time I will be on my cheap as fuck PC, dilligently waiting for Vista SP1.

why not just buy an old G4 or G5? those G5 iMacs are prettttty prettty cheap on ebay right now. or, cheap for an imac anyways
but hey, that one even has over a year of applecare.

yeah, ok, only 1.5 gb of ram, but everything else is pretty reasonable for current computers. no dual core, but aside from OS level multi-threading, dual core doesn't really mean shit right now.

new apple products are expensive as shit (unless you go onto NewEgg and actually configure one with the same elements, mobo aside and see that they're not that unreasonably priced), but last year's model is usually available used for pretty cheap. if you don't need a laptop and don't do processor intensive stuff, you could probably even find a mac mini for under 400.


I've used vista a little bit, and i find it to be cumbersome and verbose in many areas. to be honest, it really does just look like they made a new GUI and slapped it on the same backend. i haven't really checked out any "new features," but none of them seem to present themselves during my normal workflow (granted, my workflow was limited to email and internet). it just looks glossier.

crap.

I bought a new notebook when Vista came out, and I'm a little shocked to admit, it's not all that bad. It's greedy, but if you have the hardware to handle it, you should be fine. If you don't run Norton (et al) then the security warnings are going to bug you a little. The one thing I find interesting is Vista seems to be more stable then the previous Windows platforms. In the past, when you installed proggies that weren't designed for the new OS, you'd get BSODed and hung silly. Vista hasn't BSODed me once. I get some hang from other greedy Microsoft proggies, but overall Vista is performing well.

I'm going to shock myself and for the first time in my life I'm going to actually not hate a new Microosoft OS/product.

NC. A few waffles for being such a load.

Not sure I know what to say about this gem.

Programs Cannot Be Uninstalled In Vista?

Possibly after one of the latest updates in Windows Vista, two strange things happened: first, the Uninstall option is no longer available in the Control Panel when you right-click on older programs (most likely, those installed prior to the update in question, because uninstall works fine for recently installed programs — the Uninstall button is also missing on the toolbar at the top); second, some programs are no longer shown on the applications list in Control Panel (e.g., Yahoo Messenger). A Google search returns quite a few hits on this issue but everybody seems to be waiting patiently for a sign from Microsoft. But the company seems to have no clue or they would have fixed it already.

Stewie, what do you use?

I'm betting dual XP/Linux distro?


Hmmm?

stewie wrote:Not sure I know what to say about this gem.

Programs Cannot Be Uninstalled In Vista?

Possibly after one of the latest updates in Windows Vista, two strange things happened: first, the Uninstall option is no longer available in the Control Panel when you right-click on older programs (most likely, those installed prior to the update in question, because uninstall works fine for recently installed programs — the Uninstall button is also missing on the toolbar at the top); second, some programs are no longer shown on the applications list in Control Panel (e.g., Yahoo Messenger). A Google search returns quite a few hits on this issue but everybody seems to be waiting patiently for a sign from Microsoft. But the company seems to have no clue or they would have fixed it already.

Looks like one more overcompensating idiot-proofing measure, to keep some dumb motherfucker from deleting an application by accident.

In ten years, keyboards will have five keys that type whole sentences (but in txt-speak, because English is hard!), and in place of the numeric pad will be a large button that says "PORN".

It's true that this system is consuming alot of memory and cpu, but I think it's going to a nicer OS than xp. I haven't worked with it that much, but that's how it seems. someone should tell microsoft to stop doing graphics, it's just get worse and worse. I always find myself working with the classic theme.

vista sounds like a piece of shit. i bought a pc recently and was asked whether i wanted xp or vista. from what i heard about vista i could see no advantage. xp for me.

eliya wrote:I always find myself working with the classic theme.

I'm convinced that when a person reaches a watershed moment in computer awareness they instinctively revert their desktop to classic.

andyman wrote:Stewie, what do you use?

I'm betting dual XP/Linux distro?

Hmmm?

Nah, XP universally at home, except for my wife's laptop. I use most flavors of Unix at work, but at home I mostly play PC games and use Windows-only apps like TiVoToGo, etc. I probably will set up a dual boot with Ubuntu sometime soon, just so I can save some sanity.