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Alex Maiolo wrote:

"The WPA saved this country after the Depression. Also, let's not forget, it allowed us to mobilize from being the 18th to the 1st largest army in only 2 years, when it was needed, right before WWII. Yes, Holland had a bigger army than us in 1938. The "can do" spirit we always brag about came from people being needed and made to feel valuable, after a period of bleakness. We could use something like the WPA right now, to lift the national malaise."

WTF? Anyone happen noticed that we are not in a recession (much less a depression) the financial markets are doing reasonably well and unemployment is near a all time low? What the hell do we need the a WPA program for? Maybe to increase the already wildly out of control federal debt?

Hold your horses. Why are the "oh no monopolies" and "oh no hidden cabal of j00ish bankers" folks so eager to support Ron Paul? He is no' gon' take Adam Weishapt's liberties and freedoms 'way.

lemur68 wrote:

The Flash wrote:

chet wrote:What do you guys think?

I think he's a douche.

Wait; I know he's a douche.

Thanks!

A giant douche in a field of turd sandwiches, to reference a couple of other famous Libertarians.

Stand knee deep in turds to smell worse than they smell.

beancakes wrote:Alex Maiolo wrote:

"The WPA saved this country after the Depression. Also, let's not forget, it allowed us to mobilize from being the 18th to the 1st largest army in only 2 years, when it was needed, right before WWII. Yes, Holland had a bigger army than us in 1938. The "can do" spirit we always brag about came from people being needed and made to feel valuable, after a period of bleakness. We could use something like the WPA right now, to lift the national malaise."

WTF? Anyone happen noticed that we are not in a recession (much less a depression) the financial markets are doing reasonably well and unemployment is near a all time low? What the hell do we need the a WPA program for? Maybe to increase the already wildly out of control federal debt?

I didn't say we were in a depression.

There is a national malaise, however. Your precious unemployment numbers and soaring markets have done more for the wealthy than the middle class, who are making less and carrying more debt than anyone would like to care about.

You are getting ready to see the housing market shit the bed. All of this subprime lending crisis stuff hasn't bothered you I guess? Not worried about bankruptcies or anything, huh?

All the Bushies have done is use smoke and mirrors to convince people that things are peachy. Apparently it's working in your case.

The wildly out of control debt has been caused by a bullshit war and tax cuts for the rich.
Starting a new WPA program would be a drop in the bucket, and it would have the benefit of fixing the country not only spiritually, but infrastructurally as well.
Remember how we had a bridge collapse and a steam line blow up all within a week? You're going to see more of that. People bitch about taxes all day long, and then can't understand why the country is crumbling and the schools suck.

Pay teachers more.
Pay emergency responders more.
Put people the work fixing things before they kill people.
Quit giving handouts to corporations and rich people. Some of which, I might add, go to my business, so I have no ulterior motive here.

What I don't want is another prick preaching selfishness to a selfish country with a sense of entitlement problem. I don't care how plain of a speaker he is, he's not what we need right now.

-A

word to maiolo... big gov't done right is good. also, neocons are totally big gov't -- just only in evil ways, like homeland security patrols, wiretaps and all that. how is that not big gov't? word to the fact that banks, insurance, industry in general needs regulation or it WILL KILL US ALL. THEY ARE SCUM WHO HAVE SHOWN NO MORAL RESTRAINT BEYOND THAT WHICH HAS BEEN FORCED UPON THEM BY MARKET OR LAW (and the latter is dubious!).

as for estate tax -- the whole "repeal the death tax" thing is a massive crock of bullshit. the only people who have estates to pay tax on are loaded in the first place. this is a tax on the wealthy, so naturally wealthy politicians, businessmen etc. have lobbied hard to dismantle it. calling it a "death tax" is a way of slanting to language to ply sympathy. well guess what, poor people die too, more often, and when they do they inherit debt, not wealth.... and every time taxes are lowered for the rich, EVERYBODY ELSE takes up the slack. everybody feels that sting when suddenly schools don't get funding, welfare gets gutted, social security gets gutted, the debt goes up and who knows what else.

Anti-choice and a physician, therefore CRAP.

As it turns out, I also don't agree with most of his other views, so this works out rather well for me.

Also, he's from Texas and seems completely anti-U.N.

I can get behind him on the anti-Patriot Act, the anti-Iraq war, and the potential retooling of the IRS (though I haven't read what his plans for that involve, so they could be nonsensical and quirky as well).

Russ Feingold is my dream candidate.

I'm totally baffled by the hostility of small-government types to multilateralism, or their lust for a chaotic early-19th-century financial system.

Just like I'm baffled by Paul's "libertarian" reputation when he's anti-choice. "Lawn-chemical regulations are creeping nazism, but your pregnancy is definitely my business." The dead hand of the state is lifted, to make way for the dead hand of Dad.

Still, it will be mildly amusing to watch him make the Republican establishment run around like ants on fire.

CRAP, and an ugly cartoon of the reasonably arguable beliefs most seem willing to ascribe to him.

I do not like Ron Paul. I agree with him on many social issues such as the Patriot Act, the Iraq War etc. (though not necessarily of the same reasons) but not on abortion or some of his stances on immigration. On the ecoomic side, I rarely agree with him.

Do I believe that he stand a chanse? No. But he is an interesting underdog candidate, he seems to have the support of many younger americans (I see short pro-Ron Paul slogans on each and other webpage) and his support seems to be growing. But not enought for him to enter the White House.

Is there any footage of this debate online?

unarmedman wrote:Is there any footage of this debate online?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4NZfeHN7DxQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8T1iSrg77rs

Here are all the Paul parts. The PBS site has the whole video/transcription etc.

I'm glad at least someone on the Republican side is speaking out against the very unfair and unconstitutional war on drugs. No "top tier" candidates (both Republican or Democrat) have the balls to do so.