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i think it's a very novel idea, but you have to think about a couple other things. what about like, promotion. i could declare myself a publicly supported musician today and it wouldn't help people all over the country find out who i am. also, i thought originally there was no label involved? but you're saying that the label gets $4 and the store $1.

also, i know it's cool and optomistic to think that the public is going to support a band and send money, but i think the majority of americans are just too desensitized to care. call me a cynic, but even with the example someone else gave, that was a band which had existed (i assume) for awhile and had solidified a fan base to work with. with the new publicly supported band, you cant expect them to build a fan base quickly enough to be able to put together tours and promote their music in order to generate the income necessary to survive.

i don't know if that made any sense.
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greasygoose wrote:
badhat wrote:and incidentally i don't just check in here to check that thread, i also keep hoping that someone will let me play softball with them, but i keep getting turned down.


Did someone say softball? All I've heard about on this site has been baseball and wiffleball.

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Visual art vs. music:

...if the theory behind the processes are so similar (and maybe you can tell me that they aren't), why should we treat the end product so differently?


Because visual art, for the most part, exists outside of time, and music exists inside of time. An object only exists in time in as much as it will one day decay and not exist anymore; so it can be owned for the entire duration of its existence. A piece of music only exists while it's playing, and vanishes when it's finished playing; it can only be owned if the listener is wearing noise-cancelling headphones, and even then the "ownership" is over as soon as the song ends.

So instead of buying the new Velocity record for $15, it's $5, all of which is divided between the label and the record store.


Who are these bands making $10 on each record? Do they need a drummer?

I think you're talking something more along the lines of $13 price tag in a record store vs. $15, though I might be pushing it there. I think if a band were going the public-support-only route, they'd have to:

    1. Have an existing, devoted, and massive audience
    2. Not be associated with a record label
    3. Distribute their stuff exclusively online and free, save for limited releases the band puts out on their own (which it can then sell for $5 or whatever it likes)

(I was also going to say "tour all the time," but you've got your "tip jar" crap in there, so never mind touring. Every venue is going to charge people, so folks will already be paying a cover - and what about when the venue has covered its expenses? Do the rest of the people get let in for free? Or does the excess go to the band, as is now the case? If this happens, do those who've donated get a refund? I don't think you should monkey with touring, but this is not my fantasy world.)

My guess, based on:

    1. Listening to and volunterring for WBEZ, a highly successful NPR affiliate here in Chicago*
    2. Thinking about people I know who are currently satisfied with MP3-only versions of songs or albums
    3. Blind rage

...is that bands would make about $1 per "album released and sold." That is, if Tonko Boy currently sells 50,000 copies of everything they release, they're going to make $50,000 in donations relating to that release.

Nowadays, if a band can sell 50,000 copies of an album, they're probably doing pretty well for themselves. At that point a band can tour alot, sell alot of merchandise, and probably live OK just by being a rock band.

If this band's income is restricted such that they make no profits off of record sales or publishing, if their income from touring is diminished, if their merchandise is all non-profit... that $50,000 needs to last quite a while. If there are four people in the band, say four people and a tour manager/driver, and if the band is recording and mastering an album's worth of material every year, $50,000 is not going to go very far.

Also, it isn't like anyone is running away rich off your music, the label makes the same amount of money.


But the music is in the public domain, right? What if Limp Bizkit does a Tonko Boy cover? Do we solicit donations from Fred Durst?

I think this is a swell idea, but I don't think it's economically viable. I think the public domain business is a bad idea. I think paying a cover & then being asked to make a donation would be annoying. I also don't think all the other people and institutions (record labels, record stores, venues, opening bands, t-shirt manufacturers, etc.) that currently drain money from the income generated by a band will be willing to play along.

*NPR estimates that 1 listener in 10 donates to the station. The average contribution is around $100. Since there is one NPR station and there are many, many bands, and since (I think it's safe to assume) NPR listeners are in a somewhat higher earning bracket than most indie rock consumers, I'm figuring that the listener-to-contributor ratio is about the same, but that the donation-per-release averages $10.

Please make up some alternate math and update my cynical guess.

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Universal Records decided to cut the MSRP of all future releases from $18.98 to $12.98 for top line releases, and from $12.98 to $8.98 for everything else. you should check these two links out, the first is the actual article, and the second is a discussion on Slashdot web forum.

http://money.cnn.com/services/tickerhea ... 001239.htm


http://slashdot.org/articles/03/09/03/2 ... 41&tid=188

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This is sort of like Intern_8033's idea of explicitly soliciting contributions:

Optimally, what you would want to do is download the songs, and then mail the artists a nice crisp $2 bill (Or coin, or whatever) along with a letter explaining WHY you are mailing them money. That way you get the music, the record company gets boycotted, AND the band makes money...more money than they would if you bought the CD.


It would be easy for any band to release MP3s into the void, with encoding (or whatever it is that makes that text scroll by at the top of the MP3 player) saying "like it? send $2 to $10 to blahblah at paypal" or whatever. Of course, people would then have to like it and actually get around to sending the money; but I expect many bands would make more money this way than through a record label. Big donations would get t-shirts in the mail. It's the New Way.

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if you ever bought "Low - Things we lost in the fire", the vinyl version, your in for a surprise, you won't have that surprise if you download it. THAT's why you have to buy records/cd's. (i'm not gonna tell you what the surprise is...)

I do download stuff, but that's mainly for getting to know bands, because on our alternative radio station they don't play the latest of Scout Niblett.

An other thing, i'm from Belgium and one cd costs €20 (equals $20) this is because our country is divided into 2 regions where the one half speaks Dutch and the other half speaks French (technically a small part even speaks German). Marketing-wise this is an extra cost: promoting in 2 languages...which we, the customer, have to pay... so i don't !!!
i only buy cd's from local bands to support them: vandalx (recorded at electrical audio), pornrobot, millionaire, mauro pawlowski,...

So i started searching for an alternative: buying my music online (in the US a cd costs $9 to $12) although there is the shipping costs i have to pay, and most of the time the cd box is broken (i wouldn't try ordering vinyl).

I still buy online, but not that much.

There has to be some kind of solution for the massive downloading but if a cd still cost $20 or even $50 !... i think i will start even downloading more.

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...and not only that, a band could put out however many records and/or CDs cassettes etc. that it wants, and sell them at rock shows, or however else it chooses. I think the alternative distribution/donation thing could only work if there's no record label involved; but assuming that's the case, it could work out well for a band, as all the money coming in, whether by record sales or donations, would go directly to them. It's usually alot of work to release something on your own, but since there's no distribution involved - LPs or CDs are only sold at shows and online to die-hard fans (and people who don't want to listen to MP3s all the time), the music is generally distributed online - there's not so much effort involved.

There are already bands doing this, right?

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