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Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2007 7:40 am
LBx wrote:what about the first Poison Idea record?
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Die Kreuzen related question for Steve...
Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2007 8:00 am
DOA - War on 45
Angry Samoans - Back from Samoa
Circle Jerks - Golden Shower
SSD - the Kids will Have their say
Black Flag - Damaged
FUs - My America
these are all great HC records as well.
we haven't covered singles.
Angry Samoans - Back from Samoa
Circle Jerks - Golden Shower
SSD - the Kids will Have their say
Black Flag - Damaged
FUs - My America
these are all great HC records as well.
we haven't covered singles.
Die Kreuzen related question for Steve...
Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2007 9:47 am
Hah, yesMinotaur029 wrote:Haha, Jamie got greedy.
I knew I was pushing it but no harm in trying.Die Kreuzen related question for Steve...
Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2007 12:01 pm
the$inmusicisallmine wrote:DOA - War on 45
Angry Samoans - Back from Samoa
Circle Jerks - Golden Shower
SSD - the Kids will Have their say
Black Flag - Damaged
FUs - My America
these are all standard bullshit HC records as well.
we haven't covered singles.
FYP
Die Kreuzen related question for Steve...
Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2007 12:01 pm
LBx wrote:what about the first Poison Idea record?
that's list worthy for sure...
If it weren't a list of hardcore records, sure.
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Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2007 12:04 pm
Mark Hansen wrote:I still like the Germs "GI" a lot.
Yeah, great record. Not really hardcore. Hardcore was such a brittle, hidebound format that it took an exceptional band to be both recognizable as hardcore and also great. I wouldn't consider the Germs a hardcore band, but they were great.
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Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2007 12:16 pm
steve wrote: Hardcore was such a brittle, hidebound format that it took an exceptional band to be both recognizable as hardcore and also great.
Im not sure we actually disagree. I think, within the boundaries of HC, the records I listed above are exceptional. They are, indeed, the standard bearers of the standard HC bullshit. The genre is as bounded as bluegrass, I am aware of that.
I am not arguing that the Angry Sams or The FUs/Straw Dogs belong in the top 100 of great rock bands. They made some pretty dang fun genre records, tho.
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Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2007 12:37 pm
steve wrote:Mark Hansen wrote:I still like the Germs "GI" a lot.
Yeah, great record. Not really hardcore. Hardcore was such a brittle, hidebound format that it took an exceptional band to be both recognizable as hardcore and also great. I wouldn't consider the Germs a hardcore band, but they were great.
Maybe not, but I think they were the jumping off point for a lot of hardcore bands.
I almost think of "GI" as the first hardcore record. Maybe it doesn't seem as hardcore because it arose from a band that started as a sloppy, inept mess, albeit a FUN sloppy inept mess. Coming from that beginning, the album was kind of a revelation.
It's lyrical content is also heads and tails above almost any other hardcore record. In some ways it was kind of juvenile, but I got the feeling that if Darby hadn't died, he could have written some astounding lyrics in the future. It wasn't dragged down by the requisite, rote political content of many hardcore bands.
I think they are a bridge point between traditional punk rock and its later, even faster, harder, offspring. But not the band The Offspring. They suck.
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Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2007 12:44 pm
Swiz.
Second best band from DC. Hell Yes I Cheated is in my top 2 or 3 hardcore records, and absolutely in my top 100 rock records.
Second best band from DC. Hell Yes I Cheated is in my top 2 or 3 hardcore records, and absolutely in my top 100 rock records.
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Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2007 1:34 pm
'GI' could qualify around the 'first hardcore' or whatever.
i still just call it punk though.
same with Flippers 'Generic' and Fangs 'Landshark'.
(about the punk thing, not about being the first...)
i still just call it punk though.
same with Flippers 'Generic' and Fangs 'Landshark'.
(about the punk thing, not about being the first...)