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Gramsci wrote:I can't figure this one out.

If someone has the slightest amount of African bloody - enough to give them vaguely "Black" features - then they are "Black" regardless of any other genetics, even if 1/2 "White"? This strikes me as inherently racist, and frankly shows the ridiculous nature of pigeonholing people into racial classes.


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I completely despise the entire concept of "blacker than" and "whiter than." I find it to be a disgusting and divisive idea designed to impose wedges between white people and black people. It's only another form of racial brainwashing. Just because, say, Barack Obama doesn't speak with an overtly "urban" accent or use hip-hop slang doesn't mean he isn't black. Call me a PC wimp if you want, but it truly offends me.
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SecondEdition wrote:I completely despise the entire concept of "blacker than" and "whiter than." I find it to be a disgusting and divisive idea designed to impose wedges between white people and black people. It's only another form of racial brainwashing. Just because, say, Barack Obama doesn't speak with an overtly "urban" accent or use hip-hop slang doesn't mean he isn't black. Call me a PC wimp if you want, but it truly offends me.


I agree. But do you think that when a "community" define themselves by their genetic skin pigmentation this encourages racism by reinforcing difference?
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Gramsci wrote:
SecondEdition wrote:I completely despise the entire concept of "blacker than" and "whiter than." I find it to be a disgusting and divisive idea designed to impose wedges between white people and black people. It's only another form of racial brainwashing. Just because, say, Barack Obama doesn't speak with an overtly "urban" accent or use hip-hop slang doesn't mean he isn't black. Call me a PC wimp if you want, but it truly offends me.


I agree. But do you think that when a "community" define themselves by their genetic skin pigmentation this encourages racism by reinforcing difference?


Gramsci, black people don't get any fuckin' choice in the matter.

They're defined as black whether they want to be or not.

As far as acceding to that definition, besides it being a fact of life, black people get some cultural purview that the rest of us don't, whether or not they as individuals deserve it. Which can probably be appealing.

I am with SecondEdition, though I don't know if I am offended by all the foregoing japery exactly. I just think it is deeply, deeply stupid and ignorant and pointless.

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tmidgett wrote:
Gramsci wrote:
SecondEdition wrote:I completely despise the entire concept of "blacker than" and "whiter than." I find it to be a disgusting and divisive idea designed to impose wedges between white people and black people. It's only another form of racial brainwashing. Just because, say, Barack Obama doesn't speak with an overtly "urban" accent or use hip-hop slang doesn't mean he isn't black. Call me a PC wimp if you want, but it truly offends me.


I agree. But do you think that when a "community" define themselves by their genetic skin pigmentation this encourages racism by reinforcing difference?


Gramsci, black people don't get any fuckin' choice in the matter.

They're defined as black whether they want to be or not.

As far as acceding to that definition, besides it being a fact of life, black people get some cultural purview that the rest of us don't, whether or not they as individuals deserve it. Which can probably be appealing.

I am with SecondEdition, though I don't know if I am offended by all the foregoing japery exactly. I just think it is deeply, deeply stupid and ignorant and pointless.


Thanks, tim. And I do have to admit, some of the stuff up there was pretty funny...thinking particularly of the pot and kettle, that was smart. well played, Colonel Panic (I believe you were responsible for that, if so, good one).

Still, I hate the concept.

Also, the concept itself can be used to hurt (most often inadvertently, which is frequently the most painful kind of emotional shiv) individual black people. I have known a couple of black people, one of whom is almost certainly my best friend, who have been told - by white, supposedly unbiased liberals - that they don't act very black. Where the fuck do these privileged, snooty, entitled assholes get off? How the hell do they think they know shit enough about the world to tell some guy that he doesn't act enough like their preconceptions of his race? If that isn't proof enough that some of the most closeminded people in the world are liberals, I don't know what is. I knew a black guy from Mississippi - one of the most terrifyingly and intensely smart men I have ever known, and a real man, too - who told me that some white people had told him that he didn't act very black. He asked me, "What makes me less black? Should I put less lotion in my hair? Should I talk with more of a "black" accent?" I didn't know how to answer him. I had just turned 18. I'm not sure still that I would know how to. Plus, I couldn't see what the hell they were talking about: the guy seemed just as black as any other black man I'd ever met.

It's ignorant, conformist, wrongheaded and hurtful thinking, no matter what color you are.
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Gramsci wrote:I can't figure this one out.

If someone has the slightest amount of African bloody - enough to give them vaguely "Black" features - then they are "Black" regardless of any other genetics, even if 1/2 "White"? This strikes me as inherently racist, and frankly shows the ridiculous nature of pigeonholing people into racial classes.


Race is an arbitrary and artificial construct.

Never forget that.
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