Angry_Dragon wrote:NOT CRAP because anything and I mean anything is way cooler than goth.

Even, say, Furries? I'd think that goth has the advantage there.

Maurice wrote:

Angry_Dragon wrote:NOT CRAP because anything and I mean anything is way cooler than goth.

Even, say, Furries? I'd think that goth has the advantage there.

As in the people who have sex in animal costumes or the band Super Furry Animals? I actually have a SFA t-shirt that just says FURRIES on it.

Angry_Dragon wrote:

Maurice wrote:

Angry_Dragon wrote:NOT CRAP because anything and I mean anything is way cooler than goth.

Even, say, Furries? I'd think that goth has the advantage there.

As in the people who have sex in animal costumes or the band Super Furry Animals?

That'd be a) the people who have sex in animal costumes. I'm having trouble seeing them as being cooler than goths.

Of course they're cooler than goths. I bet that most Furries don't mope around and wear all black. i bet they also don't write bad poetry or post on bulletin boards about how gray skys make them comfortable. While what they do is kinda creepy, it's harmless and seems somewhat good-natured.

I have friends who are straight edge. The unspoken rule is that I don't care if they're straight edge as long as they don't care that I'm not. That seems to work out just fine.

Not Crap for them. Crap for the militant, preachy assholes. Most of the straight edge kids I know would vote crap, too.

Angry_Dragon wrote:While what they do is kinda creepy, it's harmless and seems somewhat good-natured.

OK, granted. But what about straight-edge goth furries?

Maurice wrote:

Angry_Dragon wrote:While what they do is kinda creepy, it's harmless and seems somewhat good-natured.

OK, granted. But what about straight-edge goth furries?

I'd pay good money to see this.

i respect straight edge as an ethos, in theory, which is the title of the poll, so i would vote not crap.

in practice, I have witnessed the bad side of straight edge, but as with any ethos, one could argue that such people are not in tune with the "true spirit of the endeavor."

In my opinion, using violent straight edge kids as paradigms of the ideal is analagous to using militant suicide bombers as paradigms of Islam. It's a case where an ethos is appropriated to make an excuse for severe fucked-uppedness that is rooted in other causes. I'm aware this is a vague response, but I believe it's true.

It's interesting to think of Mackaye as a mythic figure whose words of wisdom are misappropriated. (No, he's not Jesus. That would requre a few thousand years and the proliferation of DIY rock to world-order status).

Any rigid absolute personal philosophy is CRAP. Especiallly a preachy skinhead shit that says kids shouldnt fuck. How the hell else are you gonna be able to fuck good as an adult if you don't fuck bada few times as a teen?

Not crap if you don't bring it up.