Hey thanks Stewie,
I just went back to the site in question and was able to access the pop-up comments. Weird.
Thanks anyway.
Web Browser: Mozilla Firefox
13i'm interested, but haven't heard anything too compelling just yet.
the whole tabs thing, that's fine i suppose. the way i do it, i have pages like electrical, ebay, google, mapquest, weather.com etc saved as Favorites. and i have the Favorites window open and docked in the left margin at all times, it's about an inch wide so i use short names like electrical, ebay, google, mapquest, weather, etc. (view menu -> explorer bar -> favorites). so anytime i'm browsing, i'm one click away from any of the pages i use regularly. it's not a tab, but it's still one mouse click. if i need to have multiple pages open at once (like keeping ebay in the background while i'm checking my games on Its Your Turn, so i don't lose my place in my ebay search) then i just launch a new instance of explorer (one mouse click on the e in the quick-launch bar) and either type in the name, or just click on the favorite i wanna go to. so that sounds really similar to the whole tabs thing. except that i have to click in the taskbar to switch to a different window instead of clicking on a tab. in the taskbar, which i have set to be two rows tall, i can see up to 14 different applications at once. so even when i have two instances of windows explorer, outlook, outlook express, a noise model, two text files, and excel open, that still leaves me room for 6 instances of IE where i can see the name of the website real easy. like right now it says "Electrical Audio ::..." on the button in the taskbar, so it's easy to know which one to click. and really, i don't see where there's ever a case where i need more than maybe four IE's open at once. and if you want to see more than one instance of explorer on the screen at the same time, you can do that with "tile horizontally"
popup blocking is built-in to everything these days, i know the google toolbar has it (and to me, that thing's a must), zone alarm has it, i think even IE built it in since the last service pack, didn't they? so really, that's not a noteworthy feature since i'm getting it from three places already.
as far as IE being a memory hog, maybe it's just cause i have a nice computer, but like i say, i can run outlook, outlook express, excel, visual basic, a VPN, netmeeting, PC Anywhere, and multiple instances of IE, and i never have any problems. i think i have 768MB of memory, i don't even remember. memory is so cheap these days, that it's not really an issue for me.
there was a period a while back where lots of people were telling me i needed to switch to netscape cause it was so much better than IE. and i tried netscape. i thought it was mostly similar to IE, but it didn't offer me any benefits that i could see, and it didn't behave like i wanted it to. IE did then, and it still does now. so i won't say crap on any new browser i haven't tried yet, but i will say if it ain't broke, don't fix it. and so far, i'm not hearing examples of how this thing is better than IE that sound like anything i'm interested in.
the only gripe i have with IE is that maybe once or twice every hundred hours of browsing or so, it'll have some kinda problem and crash, and as a result it'll close all instance of IE. but i don't see how a new browser would resolve that, especially if it's just running all your pages in one instance of the program. it would be succeptible to the same phenomenon. the only way it would solve that problem is if it never crashed. that's one thing that would interest me in mozilla, if it *never* crashed. other than that, i haven't heard anything yet that would make me want to change. does it never crash?
the whole tabs thing, that's fine i suppose. the way i do it, i have pages like electrical, ebay, google, mapquest, weather.com etc saved as Favorites. and i have the Favorites window open and docked in the left margin at all times, it's about an inch wide so i use short names like electrical, ebay, google, mapquest, weather, etc. (view menu -> explorer bar -> favorites). so anytime i'm browsing, i'm one click away from any of the pages i use regularly. it's not a tab, but it's still one mouse click. if i need to have multiple pages open at once (like keeping ebay in the background while i'm checking my games on Its Your Turn, so i don't lose my place in my ebay search) then i just launch a new instance of explorer (one mouse click on the e in the quick-launch bar) and either type in the name, or just click on the favorite i wanna go to. so that sounds really similar to the whole tabs thing. except that i have to click in the taskbar to switch to a different window instead of clicking on a tab. in the taskbar, which i have set to be two rows tall, i can see up to 14 different applications at once. so even when i have two instances of windows explorer, outlook, outlook express, a noise model, two text files, and excel open, that still leaves me room for 6 instances of IE where i can see the name of the website real easy. like right now it says "Electrical Audio ::..." on the button in the taskbar, so it's easy to know which one to click. and really, i don't see where there's ever a case where i need more than maybe four IE's open at once. and if you want to see more than one instance of explorer on the screen at the same time, you can do that with "tile horizontally"
popup blocking is built-in to everything these days, i know the google toolbar has it (and to me, that thing's a must), zone alarm has it, i think even IE built it in since the last service pack, didn't they? so really, that's not a noteworthy feature since i'm getting it from three places already.
as far as IE being a memory hog, maybe it's just cause i have a nice computer, but like i say, i can run outlook, outlook express, excel, visual basic, a VPN, netmeeting, PC Anywhere, and multiple instances of IE, and i never have any problems. i think i have 768MB of memory, i don't even remember. memory is so cheap these days, that it's not really an issue for me.
there was a period a while back where lots of people were telling me i needed to switch to netscape cause it was so much better than IE. and i tried netscape. i thought it was mostly similar to IE, but it didn't offer me any benefits that i could see, and it didn't behave like i wanted it to. IE did then, and it still does now. so i won't say crap on any new browser i haven't tried yet, but i will say if it ain't broke, don't fix it. and so far, i'm not hearing examples of how this thing is better than IE that sound like anything i'm interested in.
the only gripe i have with IE is that maybe once or twice every hundred hours of browsing or so, it'll have some kinda problem and crash, and as a result it'll close all instance of IE. but i don't see how a new browser would resolve that, especially if it's just running all your pages in one instance of the program. it would be succeptible to the same phenomenon. the only way it would solve that problem is if it never crashed. that's one thing that would interest me in mozilla, if it *never* crashed. other than that, i haven't heard anything yet that would make me want to change. does it never crash?
LVP wrote:If, say, 10% of lions tried to kill gazelles, compared with 10% of savannah animals in general, I think that gazelle would be a lousy racist jerk.
Web Browser: Mozilla Firefox
14Overrated. I'm rather biased (as Russ well knows), but I just don't see what the big deal is. Tabbed browsing? It's called ALT+TAB. Open in new tab? Hold SHIFT when you click on a link. Yawn!
It's quite easy to write browser when you don't have to worry about backwards compatibility with all the wierd shit that a guy had to do in 1995-1996 to be compatible with the original Netscape hack-fest implementation. And if you think there are less security holes in Firefox, you'd better think again.
Dan
It's quite easy to write browser when you don't have to worry about backwards compatibility with all the wierd shit that a guy had to do in 1995-1996 to be compatible with the original Netscape hack-fest implementation. And if you think there are less security holes in Firefox, you'd better think again.
Dan
Web Browser: Mozilla Firefox
15danmohr wrote:Overrated. I'm rather biased (as Russ well knows), but I just don't see what the big deal is. Tabbed browsing? It's called ALT+TAB. Open in new tab? Hold SHIFT when you click on a link. Yawn!
It's quite easy to write browser when you don't have to worry about backwards compatibility with all the wierd shit that a guy had to do in 1995-1996 to be compatible with the original Netscape hack-fest implementation. And if you think there are less security holes in Firefox, you'd better think again.
Dan
Agreed.
Firefox works ok. Netscrape is gae (I know, same people whatever). In fact netscape holds the record for lamest-ever browser.
I also never understood the "browser wars".
I <3 meat hod.
Web Browser: Mozilla Firefox
16Firefox is really a good browser. It seems to run a little slower than IE. The tabs, the favorites at the top of the bar, all the nifty file extensions. Good stuff. Not crap.
Web Browser: Mozilla Firefox
17Despite one or two issues (It hates Yahoo Literati for some reason) I voted Not Crap. For two reasons
1: It doesn't hog resources like IE (and on my PC that's a very good thing
2: It's dead easy to erase your entire history by simply typing www. in the address window, highlighting the first address that appears in the drop down window and then holding shift and delete.
1: It doesn't hog resources like IE (and on my PC that's a very good thing
2: It's dead easy to erase your entire history by simply typing www. in the address window, highlighting the first address that appears in the drop down window and then holding shift and delete.
Web Browser: Mozilla Firefox
18toomanyhelicopters wrote:i just launch a new instance of explorer (one mouse click on the e in the quick-launch bar) and either type in the name, or just click on the favorite i wanna go to. so that sounds really similar to the whole tabs thing.
Yeah, it's similar, but for people like me, it saves me from lifting a finger. I despise having to use the keyboard to browse. I'm all about keyboard shortcuts for other applications, but for web browsing I just want to move my mouse around a single browser window.
I don't want to Alt-Tab and guess which of a dozen IE instances I need to switch to. I like seeing all the pages I have open in a small bar at the top of the browser. Because of my work, I usually have a ton of other windows open and the less browsers, the better.
I also don't want my taskbar so big that it wastes precious desktop space - as I said, I need a lot of windows open all the time and the less things I have wasting space, the better. But hey - tabbed browsing was only one of many reasons I listed for loving this browser - there are plenty of others!
toomanyhelicopters wrote:popup blocking is built-in to everything these days, i know the google toolbar has it (and to me, that thing's a must)
Yep, it's a must. I will say though that the Google toolbar misses quite a few pop-ups now and again. Someone obviously found a way around it. I've yet to see one with Firefox.
toomanyhelicopters wrote:as far as IE being a memory hog, maybe it's just cause i have a nice computer....that it's not really an issue for me.
Yep, it's because you have a nice PC
I have an old laptop with 256 Mb and using IE on it is a pain in the chutney. I hate the Microsoft philosophy of "there's plenty of memory out there, let's use it!" since that basically cripples me and plenty of others who have to use their gargantuan memory-hungry applications on less-than-tricked-out PCs.toomanyhelicopters wrote:the only gripe i have with IE is that maybe once or twice every hundred hours of browsing or so, it'll have some kinda problem and crash, and as a result it'll close all instance of IE. but i don't see how a new browser would resolve that, especially if it's just running all your pages in one instance of the program. it would be succeptible to the same phenomenon. the only way it would solve that problem is if it never crashed.
There's absolutely NO reason why Firefox would be guaranteed to crash while opening the same page as IE would crash with. IE crashes because of shit Microsoft coding. They do some of the worst error handling ever - one fuckup and every instance of IE comes down! Sheesh! I haven't used Firefox enough yet to know how stable it is, but it hasn't crashed for me yet.
However, since it is an open-source development, I could easily grab the source code from CVS, do a debug build of it myself, open the offending web page, find and/or fix the bug, and push the fix back into the product. That won't be happening with any browser from Seattle anytime soon!
Web Browser: Mozilla Firefox
20russ wrote:Stewie,
I love you.
russ
I know.
(I've been watching the Star Wars DVD set...what can I say?)