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Anthony Flack wrote:The difficulty is not so much with the hardware as it is about breaking down the nuts and bolts of what exactly it is that you want it to do.Custom pedal programmer. It could be a new career. Now how would you make a proper piano sustain pedal for a guitar? The box is triggered to take a sample each time a note (or chord) is played. The sample is fractionally delayed so it misses the pick attack. The sample is then looped Mr Freeze-style until the next note is played, when another sample is taken of the instrument which is added to the current sample. And so on and so on until the sound degrades to white noise or you turn it off, which ever is soonest.Does that sound right?

Thanks for all your responses so far. I have the feeling that the technology is not quite there yet for what I want, but it is good to see all these ideas. kazoozak wrote:This thingHmm, sounds a little bit shit to me. Maybe could be tweaked to sound more seamless...Mason wrote:FM tmidgett has done a good amount of R&D to solve this very problem.viewtopic.php?f=5&t=59147&start=40#p1975759Yeah, I've read that. I still don't understand all the jargon and I'm not quite sure how FMtm uses it. Anyone knows a particular track he's recorded where is obvious? Maybe I'll ask him on his "ask tmidgett" thread!Didn't Bill Frisell have some kind of sustaining-sampling system years back? I'll have to research up on that.[EDIT] I just saw a video of BF using a EHX Freeze pedal. That might do the trick!

FM tmidgett has done a good amount of R&D to solve this very problem.viewtopic.php?f=5&t=59147&start=40#p1975759

I ve been playing a 12 string Strat in a modified Space Opera tuning (doubled strings are tuned to fifths instead of octaves, except the E strings) and it s really cool, but the idea of planning certain chords out in advance makes my head hurt. You can t even play maj.thirds on that guitar without inviting in minor fifths. Ya mean diminished fifths? It shouldn't do, though.Roots will give you +55th will give you +9If you play a 3rd you'll get a 7th on top.If you play a 6th you'll get a 3rd on top.Major goes with major, minor with minor.So if you want a major 3rd it comes with either a major 6th or major 7th depending on whether it's the high string or low string playing the 3rd.A regular E major chord turns into Emaj7 add9.

Continued because I like this kinda junk:Your +5 on the root is obviously no problem unless you wanna play a diminished chord.The +9 (major 2nd) you get off the 5th is present in five out of seven diatonic modes which is a complicated way to say it also probably won't sound out-of-key most of the time.The +7 you get off the 3rd, that's ok on the I and IV, adds a major 7th which is in key. And it's ok on the ii, iii and vi, adds a minor 7th which is also in key. but it's off key on the V chord, giving you maj3>maj7 when you want maj3>min7. And that's probably what's sounding bad because the V chord is in 95% of everything and that maj3+min7 is a big part of rock music. Dominant 7th innit.In fact that is the very flat 5th you were talking about I bet. Major 7th on the V chord is flat 5th on the root. Maj6 is in the V mode so what you wanna do is avoid playing the 3rd on the V chord and play the 6th instead.

You need something like the EHX 45000 to punch different layers in and out, but I don't think it will do short samples like the Freeze easily. The various Ditto pedals will let you erase the last layer but it's gonna be hard to tap it fast enough to get the Freeze effect. Just get two Freezes bro! You could do so much with two. I have a double-looper setup where I have a stereo looper (Digitech Hardwire delay) and two effect loop pedals: one for each side. I can either make two separate and synced loops, or run one side into the other (with other effects inbetween) and can punch in a dirty or a clean loop and juggle between them. You could do essentially the same with two Freezes. Get two Freezes, Dudley.

Freeze pedals use granular synthesis, don't they?They immediately sound keyboard-y with chords. Organ-y, or a bit like a mellotron cello sound with single notes. To get exactly what you want, I think you'd need a few freezes, to get polyphonic, so that you can hold two or more notes for different lengths of time, though you'd need an extra foot for more than two, obviously, or just use the latched setting. You'd probably also want to have more control over release than the three options that the freeze has. If there was a poly freeze, with four channels, where you could vary the release settings, so a button and an expression pedal for each channel, that would be amazing. For me, at least. It would also cost a bajillion quid, be massive, and would probably sound very same-y very quickly.But now that you've made me think about it, I still kinda want one.

Tommy wrote:The Freeze will sustain one chord at a time, but I believe its big brothers the Superego and Superego Plus have the same effect but allow layering.How much control do they give you over the individual layers? Because I'd love to be able to drop out and replace any layer I want. Like with loop pedals, where some just let you keep adding, or only let you delete the most recent layer, but I'd want to be able to pick and choose. I'm guessing the limitation is in the control interface, as switches and rocker pedals are costly in terms of size, reliability etc.

Nico Adie wrote:Maybe try getting a 12 string and playing around with alternative tunings? I've never tried this so no idea if it'd work.I ve been playing a 12 string Strat in a modified Space Opera tuning (doubled strings are tuned to fifths instead of octaves, except the E strings) and it s really cool, but the idea of planning certain chords out in advance makes my head hurt. You can t even play maj.thirds on that guitar without inviting in minor fifths. Could be useful for like a one chord overdub, but for a whole song it might be a little insane. Which is to say, FM Nico s idea rules.

Boombats wrote:Get two Freezes, Dudley.Hey, I just had an idea!I don't think you need a long chain of Freezes, Dudley. I reckon a clever switching system could loop the two together: so you'd either have Freeze 1 going into Freeze 2 or vice versa, switching at each push of the button. I'd put the guts of both in a new box, call it the Muntronix Ouroboros and charge a hefty markup.