Premier Rock Forum

Shellac - Shoe Song - reference to Slint - Good Morning Captain. Does that count?

Dave N. wrote: Wed May 26, 2021 7:31 pm Does anyone know if the Jesus Lizard meant to rip off Miles Davis on “Then Comes Dudley”?

I've never gotten to the bottom of this myself, but again, I'm sure it was a deliberate homage and not a rip off.

Oh, and speaking of Then Comes Dudley: the song "Trigger" by Converge seemed like an obvious nod to Dudley in both the bassline and guitar in the verses. So there's an example of alluding to another band's song that is already alluding to another band's song.

Further pointless trivia: In December 2017, I saw the Jesus Lizard at the Fonda Theatre in Los Angeles. They opened with "Dudley". In July 2018, I saw Neurosis and Converge co-headline at the same venue. Converge played "Trigger" on that very same stage. EVERYTHING IS LIKE CONNECTED, MAN.

How come "I read the news today oh boy/Young American" is ok but "Here come ol' flat top" is a lawsuit?

Not crap, unless some prick copyright troll buys up the rights to a hundred year old goddamn song just to sue a band that quotes a tiny snatch of its melody in a flute part, causing so much stress and misery that the musician being victimised DIES a broken man thanks to the actions of this hopefully future ass cancer recipient.

In the future, anybody caught referencing any copyrighted work in an unauthorised piece of guerrilla creativity will be sent to the gulag.

Drive-By Truckers do this a minimum of three times an album, but that is a Southern Rock trope. NC, heavy waffles.

chexmixbreath wrote: Fri May 28, 2021 11:08 pm Jeff Buckley - "Nightmares by the Sea" has a part that I'm positive is supposed to be a nod to The Smiths - "Stop Me If You Think You've Heard This One Before". When I first noticed it, well, it sorta uh, stopped me, because I had heard that part before.

Weird! Listened to that Jeff Buckley album so many times and never would have heard The Smiths in that song.
Now listening to "Stop Me If..." with "Nightmares by the Sea" in mind, its impossible to not hear it.

How about Aerosmith, lifting the chorus of "Ragdoll" from the Stones' version of Hank Snow's "I'm Moving on"?
Their chorus hook is just Keef's backup vocal:


OR
"Come As You Are" / "Eighties" by Killing Joke.

jason from volo wrote: Wed Jun 02, 2021 9:02 am

boilermaker wrote: Tue Jun 01, 2021 11:43 pm Shellac - Shoe Song - reference to Slint - Good Morning Captain. Does that count?

Yes. I thought about that after my original post.

For whatever reason, the allusion in the Shoe Song to Good Morning, Captain was never obvious to me until after I read about it. It's cool that they did that, but honestly I'd almost rather not know about it, because now that's all I hear when I listen to the Shoe Song.

There's also the borrowed McLusky lyric in the EIG version of "Spoke".

I like this idea better as a (seemingly) spontaneous thing live vs. having it forever documented on record. But still Not Crap, music is a continuum, etc.

brownreasontolive wrote: Wed Jun 09, 2021 8:50 am Weird! Listened to that Jeff Buckley album so many times and never would have heard The Smiths in that song.
Now listening to "Stop Me If..." with "Nightmares by the Sea" in mind, its impossible to not hear it.

I'll admit it was an old buddy of mine ('sup Collin, hope you're well) who pointed it out to me one day when we were chillin'. I was already very familiar with both songs and never noticed any similarities between the two, and then much like you just said, I can't unhear it now.

Ha, that's a good one you spotted re: Aerosmith and the Stones. I noticed that "Sweet Emotion" copied the vocals from "We Love You" by the Stones when I first heard the latter.

chexmixbreath wrote: Wed Jun 09, 2021 3:57 pm Ha, that's a good one you spotted re: Aerosmith and the Stones. I noticed that "Sweet Emotion" copied the vocals from "We Love You" by the Stones when I first heard the latter.

Right on! I never made the sweet emotion connection but definitely hear it.

What I did notice on this listen of "We Love you", albeit tenuous, is that the piano at the beginning reminds of Macca/Wing's "Nineteen Hundred and Eighty Five".
Or the other way around chronologically, I suppose...

boilermaker wrote: Tue Jun 01, 2021 11:43 pm Shellac - Shoe Song - reference to Slint - Good Morning Captain. Does that count?

Shellac also drop a Fugazi lyric in 'Elephant'.
"Here comes the argument"

it's fine, we all do it