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Re: Fun/weird recording/mixing tricks for home recording.

Posted: Mon Oct 03, 2022 12:25 pm
by ErikG
ChudFusk wrote: Mon Oct 03, 2022 12:23 pm
ErikG wrote: Mon Oct 03, 2022 12:14 pm It's not just comb filtering. It's:
ChudFusk wrote: Sun Oct 02, 2022 5:13 pm Chpooing it up
LMAO

My favorite frequent personal typographic error is pooprtunity, which I end up doing 75% of the time I try to type "opportunity"
That's a real thing too.

It's your last chance to go before a long car ride.

Re: Fun/weird recording/mixing tricks for home recording.

Posted: Mon Oct 03, 2022 1:49 pm
by ChudFusk
ErikG wrote: Mon Oct 03, 2022 12:25 pm
ChudFusk wrote: Mon Oct 03, 2022 12:23 pm
ErikG wrote: Mon Oct 03, 2022 12:14 pm It's not just comb filtering. It's:
LMAO

My favorite frequent personal typographic error is pooprtunity, which I end up doing 75% of the time I try to type "opportunity"
That's a real thing too.

It's your last chance to go before a long car ride.
never waste a pooprtunity folks

Re: Fun/weird recording/mixing tricks for home recording.

Posted: Mon Oct 03, 2022 2:08 pm
by Garth
Anthony Flack wrote: Sun Oct 02, 2022 9:57 pm Ain't this just comb filtering?

And since you can produce (usually undesirable) comb filtering by mixing a signal with a short delay of itself, it seems like you should be able to do the same thing here; just invert the delayed signal on one side to produce mirrored comb filtering...?
I think a good way to tell would be to sum back to mono and confirm it still sounds ok. It's really a fun & cool idea and I want to try this at my earliest opportunity, especially since I have a few Graphic EQs from my old PA that are just collecting dust and have almost zero resale value at this point.

Re: Fun/weird recording/mixing tricks for home recording.

Posted: Mon Oct 03, 2022 2:44 pm
by seby
Top thread! When I get my stuff set up in our new place I am in deep

Re: Fun/weird recording/mixing tricks for home recording.

Posted: Mon Oct 03, 2022 2:50 pm
by Kniferide
Garth wrote: Mon Oct 03, 2022 2:08 pm
Anthony Flack wrote: Sun Oct 02, 2022 9:57 pm Ain't this just comb filtering?

And since you can produce (usually undesirable) comb filtering by mixing a signal with a short delay of itself, it seems like you should be able to do the same thing here; just invert the delayed signal on one side to produce mirrored comb filtering...?
I think a good way to tell would be to sum back to mono and confirm it still sounds ok. It's really a fun & cool idea and I want to try this at my earliest opportunity, especially since I have a few Graphic EQs from my old PA that are just collecting dust and have almost zero resale value at this point.
if you are using an EQ like Fabfilter Pro Q, Eventide Split... probably a ton more, you can make the eq points Left or Right and do this same kind of thing I've done it on Synths a few times.

Like this. The first and last point are stereo, the mid points are Left and Right.
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Re: Fun/weird recording/mixing tricks for home recording.

Posted: Mon Oct 03, 2022 3:03 pm
by ChudFusk
Kniferide wrote: Mon Oct 03, 2022 2:50 pm
Garth wrote: Mon Oct 03, 2022 2:08 pm
Anthony Flack wrote: Sun Oct 02, 2022 9:57 pm Ain't this just comb filtering?

And since you can produce (usually undesirable) comb filtering by mixing a signal with a short delay of itself, it seems like you should be able to do the same thing here; just invert the delayed signal on one side to produce mirrored comb filtering...?
I think a good way to tell would be to sum back to mono and confirm it still sounds ok. It's really a fun & cool idea and I want to try this at my earliest opportunity, especially since I have a few Graphic EQs from my old PA that are just collecting dust and have almost zero resale value at this point.
if you are using an EQ like Fabfilter Pro Q, Eventide Split... probably a ton more, you can make the eq points Left or Right and do this same kind of thing I've done it on Synths a few times.

Like this. The first and last point are stereo, the mid points are Left and Right.
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I think you need more points than this EQ will provide to do this. I assume there must be some 31-band EQ plugins available but I'm happy with the hardware. Logic has a plugin called Stereo Spread that has up to 12 (6 left 6 right) points on the spectrum to divide your mono or stereo track, but you can only pick the range and not the location of each individual point like a graphic EQ.

Re: Fun/weird recording/mixing tricks for home recording.

Posted: Mon Oct 03, 2022 5:02 pm
by Kniferide
ChudFusk wrote: Mon Oct 03, 2022 3:03 pm
I think you need more points than this EQ will provide to do this. I assume there must be some 31-band EQ plugins available but I'm happy with the hardware. Logic has a plugin called Stereo Spread that has up to 12 (6 left 6 right) points on the spectrum to divide your mono or stereo track, but you can only pick the range and not the location of each individual point like a graphic EQ.
Seems like you can get pretty close, also not sure why you would need specifically 31 bands to accomplish the task.
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Re: Fun/weird recording/mixing tricks for home recording.

Posted: Mon Oct 03, 2022 5:19 pm
by ChudFusk
Oh cool, I'm not familiar with Pro•Q so I don't know how many bands you can control. As far as whether 31 is necessary, you definitely want as many as possible because my ears have found the magic to be between 200 and 2kHz which in a 31 band EQ is 11 faders. On hardware or plugin with fewer control points, you are changing broader areas of bandwidth which I've found makes a more exaggerated effect, and a less consistent distribution. I found that chpooping (now the official term for this technique) in the sub-200 range threw too much weight around lopsidedly. That might not be an issue if you are chpooping two instruments at once and you want one to have more heft than the other, or if one of them is naturally dominant and you want to balance it out. I've only chpooped guitar using the hardware EQ, but I use the Stereo Spread plugin on a lot of mono tracks in Logic.

Re: Fun/weird recording/mixing tricks for home recording.

Posted: Mon Oct 03, 2022 6:29 pm
by Kniferide
ChudFusk wrote: Mon Oct 03, 2022 5:19 pm Oh cool, I'm not familiar with Pro•Q so I don't know how many bands you can control. As far as whether 31 is necessary, you definitely want as many as possible because my ears have found the magic to be between 200 and 2kHz which in a 31 band EQ is 11 faders. On hardware or plugin with fewer control points, you are changing broader areas of bandwidth which I've found makes a more exaggerated effect, and a less consistent distribution. I found that chpooping (now the official term for this technique) in the sub-200 range threw too much weight around lopsidedly. That might not be an issue if you are chpooping two instruments at once and you want one to have more heft than the other, or if one of them is naturally dominant and you want to balance it out. I've only chpooped guitar using the hardware EQ, but I use the Stereo Spread plugin on a lot of mono tracks in Logic.
I was just putting it out there for peeps who don't have hardware EQ. Either way should work. I've split sections of mostly synths to keep certain frequency areas form masking against things on one side or another but never to spread a stereo effect. gonna give it a spin.

Re: Fun/weird recording/mixing tricks for home recording.

Posted: Thu Oct 06, 2022 4:32 am
by Anthony Flack
Try this, and tell me if it doesn't give a similar effect:

Take your signal, put it through a digital delay with about 10ms delay, 0% feedback.

Send your dry signal plus the delay to left, and dry signal minus the delay to right (ie invert the delay on one side). Adjust the length of the delay to control the number of notches in your "eq". Volume of the delay signal sets the width. Maybe put a low-pass on the delay signal too, if you don't want it in the top frequencies, or high-pass to avoid chpooping your bass.

It should disappear completely in mono.