Them be all Clarence Boddicker's lines.

Gruber is also such a canned commie baddie, but both are well done caricatures. R.J. Fletcher from UHF might beat Dick Jones at his own game, and Boddicker steals the show . But honestly I don't know if either poll options really does it for me....Frank Booth?

PSA - this is Dick Jones:

Hans Gruber ,..simply because I love the allusions to Baader-Meinhof/Red Army Faction in his back story. Essentially he's the Teutonic version of Carlos the Jackal - a guy who used ideology as a cover for his insatiable greed.

Anthony Flack wrote: Fri Aug 18, 2023 2:29 am Them be all Clarence Boddicker's lines.

Ah, yes. Mia culpa.

Still, Gruber.

jfv wrote: Wed Aug 16, 2023 11:05 pm Boddicker’s death was spectacular, but I was confusing his death with Emil’s death, which was even better.

Verhoeven is unmatched for onscreen deaths. Boddicker, Antonowsky, Richter, Cohagen, Bob Morton, etc. Black Book, the only serious film of his I've ever seen, has my favorite movie death. It's so palpable and claustrophobic and squirmy and holy shit is it wholly satisfying. One of my favorite scenes of any sort in any film.

Man. It is very hard for me to view this as simply these two characters and not the two actors as villains. Both pretty great! Robocop certainly aligns with my worldview more than The Hard, but I watch the latter at least once a year and my son and I yell out "HANS!!!" a lot around the house.

Gruber by a puber.

It's Gruber for me, Die Hard is still one of my favorite films ever. My parents also enjoy it, had a recorded version from HBO that I watched a lot back when that was a thing.
I honestly never saw Robocop until I was in a music store and found a used copy of the out of print Criterion DVD and blind-bought it. It's an excellent movie, maybe if it had been a part of my growing up I'd feel differently.

There's a million reasons why Robocop is an excellent movie, and Ronnie Cox does what's required, but I think Alan Rickman elevates Die Hard into something much better than the film it would have been without him. Robocop without Ronnie Cox - still Robocop. Die Hard without Alan Rickman - pfff.

Anthony Flack wrote: Sun Aug 20, 2023 4:23 pm There's a million reasons why Robocop is an excellent movie, and Ronnie Cox does what's required, but I think Alan Rickman elevates Die Hard into something much better than the film it would have been without him. Robocop without Ronnie Cox - still Robocop. Die Hard without Alan Rickman - pfff.

Well argued.

andyman wrote: Fri Aug 18, 2023 4:13 am PSA - this is Dick Jones:

Nice try, but that's Vilos Cohaagen.