Nuclear power

anti
Total votes: 3 (20%)
yes in my backyard
Total votes: 7 (47%)
unsafe in practice, not crap in theory
Total votes: 4 (27%)
only if you're NASA or the Navy
Total votes: 1 (7%)
Total votes: 15

Re: Growing share of Americans favor more nuclear power

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penningtron wrote: Wed Sep 06, 2023 1:08 pm The last 4? 5? decades have had their version of X will slow down global warming/climate change: remember the push to convert everything to natural gas in the '90s, then it was bio diesel, etc. Even if those things would have helped, they were never widely adopted, and ignored the bigger issue that unless the Western-nized world drastically alters course, you can probably get used to those 130 degree summers, brown outs, and catastrophic storms every week.
A problem with all of the "lower carbon fossil fuel" solutions is that the companies best positioned to implement them have every economic incentive to keep burning stuff for as long as possible. So while moving completely from coal to natural gas could actually make a significant dent in carbon emissions, the folks who control that choice have zero economic interest in turning off the burners completely, and will fight to keep fossil modes of power production going forever. You can convert a coal plant to gas and keep making money. You can't convert a coal plant to a wind farm.

You see this happening again with plastic. There is a huge movement within the chemical and petroleum industry right now to find more ways to dispose of plastic without landfilling, including by burning it to convert it into fuel and then burning it again. They see increasing plastic production as a lifeline from the coming loss of ICEs.

There's some form of atomic energy out there awaiting our discovery and sustainable use. Agreed that fission and steam probably ain't it.

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joelb wrote: Thu Sep 14, 2023 1:31 pm
penningtron wrote: Wed Sep 06, 2023 1:08 pm The last 4? 5? decades have had their version of X will slow down global warming/climate change: remember the push to convert everything to natural gas in the '90s, then it was bio diesel, etc. Even if those things would have helped, they were never widely adopted, and ignored the bigger issue that unless the Western-nized world drastically alters course, you can probably get used to those 130 degree summers, brown outs, and catastrophic storms every week.
A problem with all of the "lower carbon fossil fuel" solutions is that the companies best positioned to implement them have every economic incentive to keep burning stuff for as long as possible. So while moving completely from coal to natural gas could actually make a significant dent in carbon emissions, the folks who control that choice have zero economic interest in turning off the burners completely, and will fight to keep fossil modes of power production going forever. You can convert a coal plant to gas and keep making money. You can't convert a coal plant to a wind farm.

You see this happening again with plastic. There is a huge movement within the chemical and petroleum industry right now to find more ways to dispose of plastic without landfilling, including by burning it to convert it into fuel and then burning it again. They see increasing plastic production as a lifeline from the coming loss of ICEs.

There's some form of atomic energy out there awaiting our discovery and sustainable use. Agreed that fission and steam probably ain't it.
I've had a bit of conversation with a nuclear physicist that I know asking when the physics of the strong force will enter the domain of practical applications that doesn't involve big explosions or giant clumsy heat generators, but are small, elegant, and safe.

It seems we're at the stage of strong-force based applications that's not too far off from early humans understanding how to make wood burn at the common risk of burning down the steppes and causing regular grievous injury. It took many millennia to get from that to the few hundred years of Lavoisier, Boyle, Mendeleev, Faraday and Maxwell, and thus Bayer, Tesla, Steinmetz, et.al.

Let's hope it doesn't take that long to translate Szilard and Fermi into elegant small-scale applications that take use to the stars and beyond....

Re: Growing share of Americans favor more nuclear power

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This is the problem. Our energy policy will be based on a conversation Trump had 70 years ago.
Q: so no nuclear power?

A: my genius great uncle professor John trump said one day a man with a briefcase will blow up a skyscraper. The biggest problem is not global warming. It’s nuclear warming.
ChudFusk wrote: Sun Dec 08, 2024 1:36 amenjoy your red meat.
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Re: Growing share of Americans favor more nuclear power

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Modern nuclear is not the same thing as Long Island or Chernobyl. I think smaller modern reactors are part of the mix of the transition to renewables. That said the waste problem remains.
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