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Rotten Tanx wrote:A guy on another message board wrote this.

What part of 'non-smokers represent the significant majority, and request that smokers keep their stinking, filthy, dangerous habit the fuck away from them since, after-all, this is a democracy' does this guy from another message board fail to understand?

alphred_stenson wrote:I just quit. I hate not smoking. But I love the fact that I'm no longer smoking. Got to respect something that can cause double think.

not crap

Exactly the same.

Quit about four, five, six weeks ago - dunno - very good sign that I'm not counting.

Adam CR wrote:

Rotten Tanx wrote:A guy on another message board wrote this.

What part of 'non-smokers represent the significant majority, and request that smokers keep their stinking, filthy, dangerous habit the fuck away from them since, after-all, this is a democracy' does this guy from another message board fail to understand?

How about 'my lovely, diverting and tasty habit is about 100% less intrusive on you then you and your self-centered and intolerant demeanor is on me'?

Or how about 'I won't smoke in your house, I won't smoke in your car, I won't smoke in the workplace, I won't smoke in front of your kids and I won't smoke while you are eating your food, because I respect and tolerate your preferences, but right here, in this bar, that nobody demanded you to enter, I will kindly ask you to tolerate mine'?

How about that part?

sunlore wrote: but right here, in this bar, that nobody demanded you to enter, I will kindly ask you to tolerate mine'?

How about that part?

A bar is also often a workplace.

I must admit I will miss the old smoky pubs but I will not miss the temptation whenever I enter one in my weak moments.

Earwicker wrote:

sunlore wrote: but right here, in this bar, that nobody demanded you to enter, I will kindly ask you to tolerate mine'?

How about that part?

A bar is also often a workplace.

I am open to discussing a smoking ban on the grounds of the right to a smoke-free workplace, because I'm a smoker, and smokers are generally tolerant people.

Adam's appeal to "democracy" is plain tacky, though, and misses the point. "Democracy," last time I checked, is mostly about securing the right of minorities. The majority can take care of itself.

So by all means, non-smokers, have your smoke-free bars! I'll gladly light up in another one, where it's just us, smokers, and where we don't have to endure your incessant self-centered whining.

It would truly be our pleasure.

sunlore wrote:I will kindly ask you to tolerate mine?

Nobody 'kindly asks' though, do they?

You might have a point if this ever happened:

Scene: crowded, incredibly smoky pub.

Smoker (rising from seat, speaking loudly to entire room): "I say chaps! This bar has become extremely smoky! In fact, it must be almost intolerable for those here who don't smoke! Let's take a break from smoking, shall we say half an hour?"

Never happens. Surprising since smokers are such a thoughtful and tolerant bunch, what with their tolerant tolerance and all that.

Adam CR wrote:

sunlore wrote:I will kindly ask you to tolerate mine?

Nobody 'kindly asks' though, do they?

Not in so many words, but it's implicit in the larger (social) situation. If I were in a bar with you and you asked me not to smoke in your presence or whatever I would gladly kill the cig or take it somewhere else, as I believe most smokers would.

How many smokers in your experience have denied this request?

But, it's not enough for you. Instead of adult conversation, you need a law to institutionalize what I can or cannot do. You, in effect, feel the need to enforce your preferences on a whole bunch of people and it's entirely reasonable for anyone in or outside this group to take issue with that.

Scene: crowded, incredibly smoky pub.

Smoker (rising from seat, speaking loudly to entire room): "I say chaps! This bar has become extremely smoky! In fact, it must be almost intolerable for those here who don't smoke! Let's take a break from smoking, shall we say half an hour?"

Never happens. Surprising since smokers are such a thoughtful and tolerant bunch, what with their tolerant tolerance and all that.

Going into an incredibly smoky bar and then asking people to lay it off with the smoking for the sake of the non-smokers is like going into a titty bar and asking people to lay it off with the stripping for the sake of everyone who is possibly offended by the titties.

You have your right to a titty-free bar just as I have my right to a splendid night in beautiful accordance with my fellow titty-lovers.

You and I don't need to have this problem, see.

And please, non-smokers, not to play to stinky card. It's not exactly like you're a field of daisies yourselves.

Adam CR wrote:A funny thing

Ha ha! Amusing but a wee bit fanciful.

Even in my smoking times, I am glad the bars around here have banned smoking. Because my GF can come out without getting sick, because I can go and have the option of smoking without it being forced down my throat, because I don't have to smell like I was at a bar, and because more non-smokers in general will come out. I also like the communal aspect of a cluster of smokers outside. AND, I love when bars after-hours will lock the doors and we can smoke inside, flagrantly flaunting our violation of the rules!

Anyway I just quit and somebody should make a chart illustrating the consumption of alcohol vs. the desire for a cigarette. I posit that they are directly proportionate. I may have to quit drinking, at least without a supervisor.

I like smoking...

I don't think I have ever been an asshat smoker either. I always go outdoors if I'm at somebody elses home (even my own house), I ask if anybody at my table at the pub minds, I don't blow smoke at people...

It makes me sad that y'all hate me for the last decent habit I have. Twats. Leave me alone.