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I am an immigrant. I only came for the scenery… But I got addicted to the fine ales and ended up stealing one of your women folk. Sorry if it’s making you all depressed though I didn’t mean any harm. I will do my best to boost the average wage this year by asking for a pay rise though.

I like it that the Hate Mail has used Holland and Belgium as examples… ‘Soon we will be worse than the Dutch!’ Oh lord…if only.

I was too kind to the article when I said that it "raised some issues that needed to be discussed", despite its usual scaremongering and jingoistic stance. The specific issue that I think needs discussion is the one of over-crowding, which I do think creates a very real problem. Of course, does the Daily Mail go as far as to point out why so many people are keen to come here? Does it offer a critique of the economic system that creates wealth traps and fosters an ever-widening gap between the rich and the poor, both in terms of citizens and countries? 'Course it bloody doesn't. So I guess it doesn't really "raise the issue" so much as spin it in favour of their agenda. Just wanted to clarify that unless people thought I was defending the Daily Mail's stance on immigration.

Overpopulation is a problem, and I'd certainly be interested in any evidence showing that the UK is becoming overpopulated. There'd be plenty of evidence to support a view to the contrary though, I believe.

As for you, B_M_L, you can fuck off back to your own country, along with my immigrant girlfriend!

simmo wrote:Overpopulation is a problem, and I'd certainly be interested in any evidence showing that the UK is becoming overpopulated. There'd be plenty of evidence to support a view to the contrary though, I believe.

Which is why I'd be interested in seeing exactly what Tory MP James Clappison's Common's request was and what information he was furnished with. My g/f works for the House of Commons library so this is something I might be able to get unless it's already in the public domain - the ONS website doesn't throw it up in any basic searches. For me at least.

Rick Reuben wrote:

simmo wrote: does the Daily Mail go as far as to point out why so many people are keen to come here?

*Waves hand* I know! I know! Because the corporate powers encouraged them to come so they could drive down wages and make the rich richer!

Well, precisely. But does the average Daily Mail reader realise this?

I'll give you a clue:

NO.

Rick Reuben wrote:

daniel robert chapman wrote:...and I'm not a bigoted fucking Daily Mail reading cunt.

So the Daily Mail made up those statistics on immigration, the ONS doesn't actually exist, England isn't crowded, and nobody has lost jobs?

We haven't seen the ONS report ourselves, and given the Mail's agenda and its history why should any of us take their interpretation of these figures at face value?

Rimbaud III wrote:Which is why I'd be interested in seeing exactly what Tory MP James Clappison's Common's request was and what information he was furnished with.

The official answers are in Hansard - but this site is easier to search. James Clappison asked a whole load of questions about dirty immmigrants recently -

http://www.theyworkforyou.com/search/?p ... rans&pop=1

You can click each question to see the written response.

Rick Reuben wrote:I'm not familiar with the organization 'UK Press', but they're one of many web sites that come up when searching for this ONS report. They can't have all made it up, can they? They would only do that for a big story like 9/11, not for this.
http://ukpress.google.com/article/ALeqM ... 4Vpxg6kCMg

That's because it's the same franchised press story, masquerading as news, you keep linking to.

The Offical answer doesn't actually say that the population density will over take Holland and Belgium. That would only happen if neither of theose countries population remained the same -

http://www.theyworkforyou.com/wrans/?id ... g169303.q0

simmo wrote:

Rick Reuben wrote:

simmo wrote: does the Daily Mail go as far as to point out why so many people are keen to come here?

*Waves hand* I know! I know! Because the corporate powers encouraged them to come so they could drive down wages and make the rich richer!

Well, precisely. But does the average Daily Mail reader realise this?

I'll give you a clue:

NO.

Agreeing with Simmo here. The Mail presents the influx of immigrants as a bunch of skiving benefit stealing A-rab scum come to rob our women and our jobs and to bomb us.
You won't find much discussion of the corporate involvement and the benefit to these corporations.

I agree with Rick that immigration - generally - is largely involved in many working class folk getting paid less than they used to.
The Daily Mail is a prime reason however of why you can't talk about it without accusations of racism.

Rick Reuben wrote:

daniel robert chapman wrote:

So the Daily Mail made up those statistics on immigration, the ONS doesn't actually exist, England isn't crowded, and nobody has lost jobs?

The statistics are inaccurate.