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kokorodoko wrote: Mon Oct 16, 2023 3:08 am Ok Hasan is a choad (and the "clarifying" article just makes him look weasely) but what is the connection to this incident? Those comments are not why he was fired.

The original posts were suggesting he was somehow a victim of some kind of prejudice.

My point is that when the context shifts (war) and the stakes raise that the realities of power become much clearer.

I saw Hasan's mainstream career stall in the U.K when he was shunted out of polite society around 2012 (News Statesman, regular BBC airtime) to the graveyard of Al Jazeera, where (like Russia Today) the incompetents, damaged goods and propagandists eventually settle. It has been amusing that he has managed to reinvigorate himself over the pond. The luxury of being an exotic diversity hire, I guess.

Smarter questions: why would the elite suddenly turn a volte face in wanting to be associated with this man? If inter-ethnic violence in another continent has suddenly made his positions unacceptable, then why were they considered acceptable before?

What is this conflict revealing about the world you live is as it is rather than what it purports to be?

Scary reports of people who criticised Israel in the US being doxxed and harrassed by well-funded right-wing harrassment groups, employer blacklists, billboards with kids' faces on them accusing them of antisemitism. And these are the same fuckers who want to take Russia's side in the Ukraine war, the same Russia that is allied with Hamas why not.

It's also weird that a lot of US idiots on Twitter have Ukraine and Israel flags next to their names. Like if you believe Ukrainians are being oppressed, wouldn't you also feel that Palestinians have dealt with 100 times more shit?

AdamN wrote: Thu Oct 19, 2023 9:31 am It's also weird that a lot of US idiots on Twitter have Ukraine and Israel flags next to their names. Like if you believe Ukrainians are being oppressed, wouldn't you also feel that Palestinians have dealt with 100 times more shit?

I can wholly understand why people who don’t pay close attention to events in that region would have a visceral reaction to the Hamas attacks.

And I also think Israel-Palestine breaks people’s brains in a way that no other conflict does. Except for the purely antisemitic ones, every criticism of Israel is true! And yet ceding the region to Palestine would just mean trading one flavor of apartheid for another.

Michelle Goldberg has been quite good on the issue.

AdamN wrote: Thu Oct 19, 2023 2:11 am Sarah Silverman

Jesus fuck, SS (who I've liked for many, many years). "Why war crimes are actually fine" is one helluva hot take..

penningtron wrote: Thu Oct 19, 2023 10:05 am

AdamN wrote: Thu Oct 19, 2023 2:11 am Sarah Silverman

Jesus fuck, SS (who I've liked for many, many years). "Why war crimes are actually fine" is one helluva hot take..

Weird. I've seen her express anger at the Israeli military and bristle at claims that she's "not Jewish enough" for doing so.

M.H wrote: Thu Oct 19, 2023 2:29 amIf inter-ethnic violence in another continent has suddenly made his positions unacceptable, then why were they considered acceptable before?

What is this conflict revealing about the world you live is as it is rather than what it purports to be?

Right, well I don't know enough about Hasan or his status in the media environment to have thoughts either way.

losthighway wrote: Thu Oct 19, 2023 10:53 am

penningtron wrote: Thu Oct 19, 2023 10:05 am

AdamN wrote: Thu Oct 19, 2023 2:11 am Sarah Silverman

Jesus fuck, SS (who I've liked for many, many years). "Why war crimes are actually fine" is one helluva hot take..

Weird. I've seen her express anger at the Israeli military and bristle at claims that she's "not Jewish enough" for doing so.

She appeared to have a rough 24 hours at the very beginning of the conflict. I'm not terribly online, so I didn't catch a lot of it, but what I saw wasn't a well thought out reaction.

Humans get emotional. It happens.

Can someone provide my any evidence of the doxxing things going on outside of the truck parading around Harvard?

Imagine knifing a 6 year old to death because of something that he has nothing to do with on the other side of the world.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/6- ... rcna120543

Genocidin' with Biden.

https://www.reuters.com/world/us-vetoes ... 023-10-18/