Maybe you guys could continue this discussion on Gabbly. You know, to spare us.

Rick Reuben wrote:It's the Vatican, it's the Rothschilds, it's the Royals, it's the Dutch East India company, the Spanish, the Dutch, the Portugese, Cecil Rhodes, Fabian society, HG Wells, and maybe Dr. Who, Led Zeppelin, and Star Trek.

Honest question: was this a joke?

Yeah leave Doctor Who out of this...

big_dave wrote:How does that work? If you're putting the NWO firmly in the hands of select American lodges that doesn't come close to explaining how they could exert global influence in a mail/telegram era.

Why would controlling factions be American?

If the aristocracy, religious authority, and top wealthy merchant class could've had dealings, isn't it possible to guide the course of nations? Not many would have to be privvy to this information, and pieces alone wouldn't directly point back to it's source.

And before you give me the standard "conspiracist" line, think about modern day lobbyists, and closed door deals.

I don't put too much faith into lore, but it's unsettling to a certain degree (no pun intended) when men of history are members of an organization held to secrecy.

Rick Reuben wrote:Ron Paul introduced legislation to repeal the Military Commissions Act. Man, is that guy dangerous, or what?

The following is an excerpt from the American Freedom Agenda Act:
(a) The Military Commissions Act of 2006 is hereby repealed.

(b) The President is authorized to establish military commissions for the trial of war crimes only in places of active hostilities against the United States where an immediate trial is necessary to preserve fresh evidence or to prevent local anarchy.

(c) The President is prohibited from detaining any individual indefinitely as an unlawful enemy combatant absent proof by substantial evidence that the individual has directly engaged in active hostilities against the United States, provided that no United States citizen shall be detained as an unlawful enemy combatant.

(d) Any individual detained as an enemy combatant by the United States shall be entitled to petition for a writ of habeas corpus under section 2241 of title 28, United States Code.

Why small print that?
That's kinda cool.
I think he and Kucinich should team up.

Rick Reuben wrote:

big_dave wrote:How does that work? If you're putting the NWO firmly in the hands of select American lodges that doesn't come close to explaining how they could exert global influence in a mail/telegram era.

Skronk wrote:Why would controlling factions be American?

Yeah, I just ignored that comment by Dave, because it made no sense. Is Dave implying that the NWO was born in America, and exported from the U.S.??

How could I when I mentioned I thought the groups had their origin during the short lived revival of Catholicism in the UK and related countries?

Why would controlling factions be American?

Don't ask me, ask Bob, who brought up Pike.

The NWO was imported to America. All world exploration was funded by elites on the hunt for loot. Columbus was an NWO agent.

Not necessarily, as trade root wealth was new wealth which tended flow into the emergent bourgeouis and "mobile" classes rather than the aristocracy. The aristocracy were the consumers, inflating the price of chocolate, pearls, pepper and like, as the upper-middles dominated the commerce of the cities. The Vatican, The Royals, etc, really played less a part in that era than they had in any era of history since the end of the Roman Empire. But, I guess you're going to tell me that the Roman Empire was controlled by the same families, and they passed that power forwards to the UK and Vatican?

In Britain we can see the new Imperial movement of the late 1700s, 1800s, as a move by the high aristocracy to legislate themselves into a business that they were not the ultimate owners of before. This is around the time that the British overseas trade was re-focused East rather than West, to profit from areas where the Victorian picturebook Feudalism had already take hold. Even, then, the aristocrats were hardly the owners of the land as they mostly just carved it up between the nations' existing aristocrats and profited from the trade.

Rick Reuben wrote:I'm reading a book tonight.

There's a first time for everything, Rick.

In regards to your first post on this page, if you're so of pointing out what you didn't write, maybe you should show others that courtesy before you expect in it return.

In lieu of a counter-argument, I'll put it very simply for you:

The NWO never existed and never will exist, and the place it occupies in the political spectrum is two thirds pathological and one third propaganda.

Rick Reuben wrote:You're wrong. Trade 'root' wealth made me laugh, though. Trade doesn't exist without banking. Commerce doesn't exist without banking. Your effort to segregate this 'new' wealth from the lifeblood of the system is more typical 'protect the bankers' bizarro world bullshit from you. Just because the distribution of wealth was wider than in the days of feudalism doesn't mean that any of it could have happened without the cooperation and permission of the banking dynasties.

Aha! Makes me think you do not know one period of history from another.

No Bob, read closer and you'll notice my typo, it is not trade wealth but trade route wealth.

The trade routes were the organised exchange of goods when the passages were opened up for popular commerce. The bankers would not have been involved because for the most part goods were traded against goods, or slaves, or work.

Thank Pike for that.

Having just read his website and a host of other information, I'd say that Ron Paul is CRAP.

I'm not a fan of the Democrats, and have been a registered Independent since day one. I have a hard time sticking up for them, and their so-called leadership. The best I can usually say for them is that they are the least worst choice.

However, I don't think I could ever change my mind about them, one way or another, reading "data" from the Heritage Foundation.

Heritage Foundation??? Are you serious Rick?
How about some information from Focus on the Family, or League of Christian Voters while you're at it.

I have no doubt that the Dems have their share of money. Both parties are bloated. Few people have a chance at politcs unless they have disgusting amounts of money. I think it's strange to think of them as the "party of the rich" however. Poll the nation's CEOs. Ask them how they are registered. My guess is that they are dumping their personal dough into the GOP, even if a few of their companies play both sides to be safe.

Hollywood, and Rich Northeastern Liberal guilt money aside I'm pretty sure most of the wealthy people in this country think of themselves as republicans.

-A