InMySoul77 wrote: Mon Jul 31, 2023 7:45 pm What gets me is that the movements of these crafts can't be explained. They disappear and then reappear. Leslie Kean's book is a good primer if you're new to this stuff. This is a very real phenomenon - but what's really going on here?

I don't think these are extraterrestrials. They're probably fallen angels, like in Genesis 6. There's a lot of speculation in prophecy circles that the "strong delusion" of 2 Thessalonians 2 will be a fake alien invasion perpetrated by fallen angels.

lmfao I love when you read something that starts off perfectly ordinary and suddenly without warning makes you go "mate, WHAT".

rsmurphy wrote: The main objective, at least from what I could gather, is that they are looking at it as a security issue for the most part.

Then why are we hearing tales about crashed ufos, "non-human biologics" and ray guns that could "turn you into charcoal briquette"?

We already know now that Russian military technology sucks balls. I'm very skeptical that Chinese technology can do things American technology can't, considering they can't even make the kind of chips that Taiwan makes. Could be drones are involved though, it's possible.

And it's not like the coverage was tantamount to that of the State Funeral for Her Majesty The Queen.

Oh I'll be the first to say fuck the Queen, fuck King Charles, fuck his pedophile brother and his pedophile mates, and fuck all their hoarded stolen wealth. Goddamn it you're right, I am more pissed off about that disgusting display of subservience to that shitty family and the whole rotten institution that supports them.

rsmurphy wrote: I see racists, bigots, homophobes, et al. having the opportunity to inform developments in AI.

Now this is getting right off-topic, but I look at it this way: say you have an AI that is in charge of filtering job applicants, and that AI is racist. For sure that is potentially a problem. But the racist AI is only racist because the training data is racist, meaning that hiring practices were racist all along (no duh), and the AI is not doing anything worse than what was already happening.

The difference is, the AI can be tested to see how racist it is (unlike a real person, the AI won't try to hide its racism because it doesn't know it's not supposed to be racist). So people will get upset about racist AI, and rightly so, but by identifying the AI's biases, we're able to gain an accurate picture of human biases. AI lets us chomp through massive data sets that we could never process by hand. One of the many things we can potentially use it for is to identify and quantify patterns of systemic racism in society.

Having massive assholes in charge of everything is definitely a concern - I really don't think it's a good idea, for instance, that Elon Musk is being allowed to dominate satellite internet or own the US fast charging infrastructure for electric vehicles. To me that feels like voluntarily easing your balls into Elon Musk's vice.

InMySoul77 wrote: Mon Jul 31, 2023 7:45 pm I don't think these are extraterrestrials. They're probably fallen angels, like in Genesis 6. There's a lot of speculation in prophecy circles that the "strong delusion" of 2 Thessalonians 2 will be a fake alien invasion perpetrated by fallen angels.

Resembling the Overlords like in Childhood's End. Or have the Nephilim decided to pilot spacecraft? And by definition an angel, fallen or blessed with God's grace, is an extraterrestrial.

God, if one(s) were to exist, is more than likely a programmer.

Anthony Flack wrote:Then why are we hearing tales about crashed ufos, "non-human biologics" and ray guns that could "turn you into charcoal briquette"?

“BUT if they’re out there, they’re out there, and IF they have this kind of technology, then they could turn us into a charcoal briquette."

Sounds like a speculation and not an observation. Aside from that one would need to discuss the whole of the phenomenon and not just one aspect of it.

We already know now that Russian military technology sucks balls. I'm very skeptical that Chinese technology can do things American technology can't, considering they can't even make the kind of chips that Taiwan makes. Could be drones are involved though, it's possible.

So the Russians are out of the discussion as well as the Chinese. Hmm...I wonder what else might it be? Maybe we should look into everything and anything that it might be since it doesn't operate by our idea of physics.

stuff about AI

We can't even get navigating life right and you expect some plucky engineer to include a safeguard into AI preventing the one truth about this world that humanity is broken? I don't share your faith because I don't have the ability to ignore what's literally happening in front of me in service of an alleged greater good.

I expect all kinds of people to use AI for all kinds of things, we aren't talking about one all-encompassing AI entity. AI is a tool for extracting deep patterns from huge data sets. And we have plenty of huge data sets.

rsmurphy wrote: Maybe we should look into everything and anything that it might be since it doesn't operate by our idea of physics.

Sorry I thought you meant to imply it was maybe high-tech drones of human origin, not back to aliens again. What would the physicists say about things that don't operate by our idea of physics? Either the laws of physics as we understand them are all wrong, or a guy who thinks he saw a flying saucer has made a mistake somewhere.

I don't think it's that our understanding of physics is all wrong, there are working theories of faster than light travel - we just don't have anywhere near the technical prowess to achieve these things. Time travel is theoretically possible (although the implications are mind boggling to me anyway.)

These UAPs / UFOs could conceivably be lots of things - extra terrestrial, inter-dimensional, extra-temporal, or maybe even an earth (or elsewhere in our solar system) originating species that lives in a place we can't easily see or get to like the ocean or under Antarctica and wants fuck all to do with us. To me this explains why there seems to be a connection to our nuclear sites - they may already be sharing this planet in some fashion and we just don't (for the most part) have the capacity to see that.

Earlier in this thread I mentioned the UFO Rabbit Hole podcast - she did (IMO) a great series on Plato's Cave as it might apply to this phenomenon - the idea that our consciousness / awareness of reality is only a possibly small part of the overall true nature of things makes a lot of sense to me. As a species, we like to think we know everything - so did people 100 years ago, and 500 years ago, and 1000 years ago, and so on. And a lot of what they knew to be true turned out to be way fucking off. I think it's safe to assume that if there are people in another 500 years, then they'll look back at us in the same way and feel smug about what ignorant assholes we are / were.

Anthony Flack wrote: Tue Aug 01, 2023 8:04 am I expect all kinds of people to use AI for all kinds of things, we aren't talking about one all-encompassing AI entity.

Aren't we? Isn't that the goal? Admittedly I am ignorant of advanced computing but AI is supposed to draw from all of these data sets that humans build, right? If AI is just rapidly progressing off of what we put into it then aren't we just making a super intelligent uglier version of ourselves? It's like colonizing some distant planet when we can't even get our shit together on Earth.

Sorry I thought you meant to imply it was maybe high-tech drones of human origin, not back to aliens again. What would the physicists say about things that don't operate by our idea of physics? Either the laws of physics as we understand them are all wrong, or a guy who thinks he saw a flying saucer has made a mistake somewhere.

Why not both? This is where reverse engineering would come into play, yes? And I meant to say laws of physics and not an idea of physics. I'm fairly certain we have a lockdown on those laws, but these alleged spacecraft operate outside of those laws is what I'm attempting to express. Sometimes my words don't come out so good.

BrendanK wrote: Tue Aug 01, 2023 10:04 am These UAPs / UFOs could conceivably be lots of things - extra terrestrial, inter-dimensional, extra-temporal, or maybe even an earth (or elsewhere in our solar system) originating species that lives in a place we can't easily see or get to like the ocean or under Antarctica and wants fuck all to do with us. To me this explains why there seems to be a connection to our nuclear sites - they may already be sharing this planet in some fashion and we just don't (for the most part) have the capacity to see that.

Earlier in this thread I mentioned the UFO Rabbit Hole podcast - she did (IMO) a great series on Plato's Cave as it might apply to this phenomenon - the idea that our consciousness / awareness of reality is only a possibly small part of the overall true nature of things makes a lot of sense to me. As a species, we like to think we know everything - so did people 100 years ago, and 500 years ago, and 1000 years ago, and so on. And a lot of what they knew to be true turned out to be way fucking off. I think it's safe to assume that if there are people in another 500 years, then they'll look back at us in the same way and feel smug about what ignorant assholes we are / were.

Michio Kaku has a wonderful story or comparison about fish in a pond. They spend their lives being able to move forward and backward in their universe, but if one were to reach into that pool and remove a fish from its universe it would be aghast at what it would see (being if that fish was sentient, of course). Same goes for us. We can't expend the energies needed to see in higher dimensions and probably never will. We can only feel/notice their effect or byproducts. If memory serves German physicist Theodor Kaluza speculated that light could be an effect of a higher dimension.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/pilots-seein ... 40631.html

Pretty interesting article on Arizona AFB sightings.

rsmurphy wrote: Tue Aug 01, 2023 11:37 am Aren't we? Isn't that the goal? Admittedly I am ignorant of advanced computing but AI is supposed to draw from all of these data sets that humans build, right? If AI is just rapidly progressing off of what we put into it then aren't we just making a super intelligent uglier version of ourselves?

Not super-intelligent - not even intelligent. It is essentially a data analysis technique. Anyway, we didn't have to wait long for an example of a positive use case... here's an article from yesterday: https://www.theguardian.com/society/202 ... its%20kind.

BrendanK wrote: there are working theories of faster than light travel - we just don't have anywhere near the technical prowess to achieve these things.

All these theories with warp drives etc involve using things like objects with negative mass, which we have no reason to suppose are even possible. I'm not aware of anyone saying it would be theoretically possible to accelerate an object past the light speed barrier though, that's a new one on me.

Here's one breakdown of the commonly-circulating UFO videos showing how sad they really are. Like, oh that's a bird. And that's an out-of-focus plane.



I don't like this guy's style which is kinda trolly and annoying, but he also lays it out.

https://thehill.com/opinion/technology/ ... s-looming/

The inspector general of the intelligence community deemed Grusch’s allegations that UFO-related information was inappropriately concealed from Congress “credible and urgent.” Senate Intelligence Vice Chairman Marco Rubio (R-Fla.) confirmed the inspector general’s finding.

I. Charles McCullough, III, the intelligence community’s first inspector general and now an attorney in private practice, represents Grusch and sat directly behind him during a July 26 congressional hearing. It is extremely unlikely that such a high-profile lawyer and former top federal official would represent anyone making the kinds of extraordinary claims that Grusch is without robust evidence.

This leaves two extraordinary possibilities — that Grusch is correct and elements within and outside of the U.S. government oversee a decades-old UFO retrieval and reverse-engineering effort – a profound, paradigm-shifting development — or, to quote Grusch, “multiple esteemed and credentialed current and former” government officials “with a long-standing track record of legitimacy and service to this country” are engaging in a brazen disinformation campaign.

On July 13, Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer (D-N.Y.) introduced a measure that asserts eminent domain over “any and all recovered technologies of unknown origin…that may be controlled by private persons or entities.” It also defines and contains two dozen references to “non-human intelligence,” a term used frequently by Grusch to denote the uncertain origin of highly advanced technology allegedly retrieved. Such efforts are referred to as a “legacy program” in Schumer’s legislation.

In an in-depth NewsNation interview, Grusch also alleged that non-human remains have been recovered from UFOs. Schumer’s legislation requires that any “biological evidence of non-human intelligence” held by private companies be turned over to the federal government “in the interests of the public good.”

IMO there are only 2 credible explanations for what is happening - either what Grusch has said is true, or there is a massive disinformation campaign happening from CIA / DoD, etc.... Either way, this should be a massive story, and it is getting a lot less coverage than I would expect in major news media.

Anthony Flack - you keep painting anyone who is coming forward about this as a bunch of nutjobs, but if that's the case, they seemed to have duped multiple Inspector Generals of the Intelligence community, as well as Senate leadership.